Mark_Seaton
Hi all,

With the 4th of July weekend here, and the first couple delivered to FedEx late yesterday, it's finally time to announce that we are now starting to ship the SubMersive with a new, more powerful amplifier.  How much more powerful?  Try 2400W.

Many who have ordered or e-mailed about ordering a SubMersive in the past 2 months have been let in on this development, and we have a pile of SubMersives ready for testing and shipping next week, with the remainder of the backlog coming soon after.

The best part here is that our new amplifier comes from the same OEM as our original 1000W SubMersive amplifier, and is packed into the same size cage and faceplate.  At first glance, the only obvious indicators of the new amplifier are some differently placed screw heads and a 20A breaker in place of the fuse on the original.  The new amplifier is in fact a direct drop in for the original, and we will be offering an upgrade option where you will return your original amplifier for the HP version. 

The catch?  This design of this amplifier makes it currently only suitable for ~115/120V operation.  I don't expect to see an international Voltage version until some time in 2011.

The new US sourced amplifier is quite the beast, and effectively eliminates any hard amplifier clipping under any condition I've found thus far.  Obviously there are limits past which it won't get any louder, but those are higher than the original SubMersive and it is even more graceful when it does reach that limit.  Where the most benefit is realized is below 16-20Hz, but there is benefit across the board.  The new amplifier does not make one SubMersive HP equal to a pair of originals, but it does make it better. 

Addition/update:
With the added robustness and tolerance to over-driving in the new amplifier, I have also put the second DSP program to use.  This relates to the PGM SEL, two position switch.  While I still recommend the depressed (IN) program for most, I decided to use the extended (OUT) position of the switch to shift the roll off deeper to better match larger rooms or those who listen at lower levels wanting more lift to the bottom end.  The response below 15Hz is parallel, but higher in level to the original response, with the +/-3dB window shifting down to 15Hz vs. the 19Hz of the original.

After 4 years of shipping the SubMersive and holding our pricing through absorbing many parts cost increases by streamlining assembly and increasing quantities, the new, much more powerful and fully US made amplifier will come with a price increase to $2295 for the black satin SubMersive.  As our amplifier supplier is still ramping up production and there will be a 2-3 week lead time for new SubMersive HP orders, I will offer the original $1995 pricing on the new SubMersive HP through July 16th.

Later this week I will post information on the upgrade process for current owners.

Happy 4th of July!

Now Closed - July 30th,2010 Update (price increase schedule changes):

Not surprisingly there has been quite a bit of interest in the limited time intro pricing of the SubMersive HP, and we've been trying to keep up with e-mails and calls.  I pleaded and begged Carolyn to make some time to help get everyone answered more quickly this week and the next few.  Please note that multi-unit and returning customers still get the $100 savings on these prices!

As I know timing matters with many summer vacations and other expenses, I will be stair-stepping up the price over the next few months:
SubMersive HP Pricing
  • As of July 17th:  $2095 + any finish premium
  • As of August 31st:  $2195 + any finish premium
The revised dates are more in line with my original intention of having more units in customers hands as we step to $2195.  Our amplifier supplier is awaiting a few key parts (domestically sourced) to arrive where new orders placed in August should all be shipped by the end of August as we have many amplifiers expected to arrive mid-late August.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Bunga999
God Bless America!! 
Let the fireworks begin!
You've just made my 4th of July that much better.

Will be looking for mine soon.

Have a Happy 4th!


Thx,
Claude



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jrunr
Awesome!!!  I have two on order!  Lets hope they are ready VERY soon!!!  
I really want a full Seaton Sound HT!
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Stereodude
Mark must be really busy with all the new developments that came out of Seaton Sound this week.

Congrats on making a legend even better!
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MikeDuke

That's fantastic.  Can't wait to read about some input on this one.  Having it be a direct drop in for the orignal is really nice.  Way to go.  This is just one more reason why people are loyal and they value the products you sell so much.

I simply love this stuff.
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Bunga999

jrunr wrote:
Awesome!!!  I have two on order!  Lets hope they are ready VERY soon!!!  


Mine could not be soon enough - had my order in for almost 3 months now been going stir crazy here

This is the most patience I've EVER shown especially (for me) with this kind of $.  Hopefully I'll be rewarded soon but I think that goes to show how much Seaton owners and the man himself have me convinced that its well worth the wait. 
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August_West
Well, as an owner of 2 of the original SubMersives I can say I certainly don't need this upgrade as they will practically bring the house down now.

But I'll probably order the upgraded amps anyway
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K1LL3M
Great news Mark, looking forward to the submersive deals with the amps from owner's who "upgraded"
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tbailey
I already have both outlets upgraded to individual 20A circuits!

And I've got Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture at the ready! Hurry up FedEx!!!!
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DACS4
Anxiously awaiting amp upgrade procedures......WOW~!!!!!
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kono144

August_West wrote:
Well, as an owner of 2 of the original SubMersives I can say I certainly don't need this upgrade as they will practically bring the house down now.

But I'll probably order the upgraded amps anyway

I'm with you.  I am very satisfied with two submersives as they are.  However, this upgrade is a no brainer.  Count me in. 
Kono
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jrunr
I have cleared out the space for them and I am ready to hook them up!  Now I just have to wait for them to be ready to ship!  lol

Seriously though, I am extremely excited to receive mine!
I really want a full Seaton Sound HT!
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ken6217
Hi Mark,
Congratulations on your new product!

When will the upgraded amps be available? Will need three. Do the drivers have to come out to replace the amp?

Thanks,
Ken

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August_West
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Later this week I will post information on the upgrade process for current owners.
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ken6217
Thanks.
Ken

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Mark_Seaton
Hi guys, I'm not in the office today, but I wanted to quickly confirm that the upgrades only require a screwdriver (no soldering). The connector on the amp is polarized and the same for the original and new amplifier. It's as straight forward a process as can be.

I hope everyone enjoyed their weekend!
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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DACS4
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Hi guys, I'm not in the office today, but I wanted to quickly confirm that the upgrades only require a screwdriver (no soldering). The connector on the amp is polarized and the same for the original and new amplifier. It's as straight forward a process as can be.

I hope everyone enjoyed their weekend!

Very good news...especially for those, like me, who are not so skilled with soldering.

Dave

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Mark_Seaton
DACS4 wrote:
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Hi guys, I'm not in the office today, but I wanted to quickly confirm that the upgrades only require a screwdriver (no soldering). The connector on the amp is polarized and the same for the original and new amplifier. It's as straight forward a process as can be.

I hope everyone enjoyed their weekend!

Very good news...especially for those, like me, who are not so skilled with soldering.

Dave

Hi Dave,

For the record, most every one of our products has the reality of potential service in mind, and no soldering is required for any component swap that may be required.  I'll grab a couple pictures of the new amplifier today and the connector behind the amp.  The swap is very easy.  Plug'n go.

Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Mark_Seaton
Another clarification:  There should be no issue at all running a pair of the SubMersive HP's on a 20A circuit.  A single on a 15A circuit will similarly have no issue.  Pair's or more on a 15A circuit should work up to a point, depending on if you have a few hundred watts more plugged in on the circuit and if you are pushing the SubMersives hard into their limits.  Generally when going to a pair from a single they won't be pushed as hard into limits, and most will be just fine with a 15A circuit.  Depending on the use and other things on the circuit, there is the possibility of tripping a breaker.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Mark_Seaton
ken6217 wrote:
Hi Mark,
Congratulations on your new product!

When will the upgraded amps be available? Will need three. Do the drivers have to come out to replace the amp?

Thanks,
Ken


Hi Ken, and others eager for the upgrade option.

I first need to fill the back orders currently in the que, then we will get the upgrades headed out.  The new amplifiers cost MUCH more than the $300 price delta vs. the old amplifier.  I am working on defining the process which will allow me to keep the upgrade price as reasonable as possible for those jumping on the upgrade early on.  by September the upgrade price will have to raise a bit.  In order to manage the upgrades which begin as a cash negative for Seaton Sound until the returned amps find their way to new owners in new SubMersive boxes at a reduced rate, we will be setting some limits as to how many upgrades we will be shipping out each week. 

There is no reason for those wanting to upgrade to worry about getting in on the early upgrade pricing, as once you have paid and are in the que, you will get your upgraded amplifier as the scheduling and availability of the new amplifiers allow, even if they ship after the early upgrade pricing expires.

It is a nice feeling to know that we are able to offer drop in upgrades for our loyal customers who might have purchased their SubMersives as many as 4 years ago.  This early upgrade pricing is a thank you for your enthusiasm and support.  With any luck the process will enable even more enthusiasts to join in the fun.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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gpburns
Cool news Mark
count me in for 2 upgrade amps
I'll flip an email

Few extra DB's in lower region always nice

my neighbor 3 houses down sometimes complains not getting the impact of my closest neighbors  


Gary
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MACCA350
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Another clarification:  There should be no issue at all running a pair of the SubMersive HP's on a 20A circuit.  A single on a 15A circuit will similarly have no issue.  Pair's or more on a 15A circuit should work up to a point, depending on if you have a few hundred watts more plugged in on the circuit and if you are pushing the SubMersives hard into their limits.  Generally when going to a pair from a single they won't be pushed as hard into limits, and most will be just fine with a 15A circuit.  Depending on the use and other things on the circuit, there is the possibility of tripping a breaker.

Just to add to your point, were currently running our entire HT of a single 15A/240V(3600W) fused circuit and have yet to pop the fuse even at reference levels..........how have I gotten away with this, as Mark has suggested, our room is reasonably small with a listening distance of 3.5M.
It's probable I would have tripped a circuit breaker, but being a fuse there's a little more give on peak current draw.

So off that one circuit is:
3x Catalysts
2x SubMersives
Denon 3808 AVR powering 4x Wharfedale DFS surrounds(yes the 4x Sparks are packed away for now)
JVC HD950
32" LCD
Various players, pvr, cable box, gaming consoles, hdmi splitter, network switch.....

Not ideal, but can't run new points in this temporary HT

Cheers


HAA II
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gpburns
would it be safe to questimate that 2 HP's would outperform 3 original units 
in the 15-25Hz range ? 
Gary
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Bunga999

MACCA350 wrote:
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Another clarification:  There should be no issue at all running a pair of the SubMersive HP's on a 20A circuit.  A single on a 15A circuit will similarly have no issue.  Pair's or more on a 15A circuit should work up to a point, depending on if you have a few hundred watts more plugged in on the circuit and if you are pushing the SubMersives hard into their limits.  Generally when going to a pair from a single they won't be pushed as hard into limits, and most will be just fine with a 15A circuit.  Depending on the use and other things on the circuit, there is the possibility of tripping a breaker.

Just to add to your point, were currently running our entire HT of a single 15A/240V(3600W) fused circuit and have yet to pop the fuse even at reference levels..........how have I gotten away with this, as Mark has suggested, our room is reasonably small with a listening distance of 3.5M.
It's probable I would have tripped a circuit breaker, but being a fuse there's a little more give on peak current draw.

So off that one circuit is:
3x Catalysts
2x SubMersives
Denon 3808 AVR powering 4x Wharfedale DFS surrounds(yes the 4x Sparks are packed away for now)
JVC HD950
32" LCD
Various players, pvr, cable box, gaming consoles, hdmi splitter, network switch.....

Not ideal, but can't run new points in this temporary HT

Cheers



WOW!!

This makes me feel much better.  Mark told me I "should" be fine too since everything (current sub, Onkyo 805 Receiver, 50in Plasma, blu-ray players, HD-DVD player and lights) in my living room/ht is on a single 15amp breaker.  Not sure if its mentioned anywhere in this thread or not but I’m almost positive he mentioned it to me on the phone a while back that the new 2.4K amp is even more efficient than the already efficient 1K amp.

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Mark_Seaton
gpburns wrote:
would it be safe to questimate that 2 HP's would outperform 3 original units 
in the 15-25Hz range ? 


I will be doing some more specific measurements and comparisons with the original this week, but what I've tested thus far would peg 3 originals and 2 HPs as very close at the lowest frequencies, with the HP being even more immune to being over-driven and nearly impossible to hard (audibly) clip the amp.  I can say with more certainty that 3 SM-HP's are more powerful than 4 originals.

With the added robustness and tolerance to over-driving in the new amplifier, I have also put the second DSP program to use.  This relates to the PGM SEL, two position switch.  While I still recommend the depressed (IN) program for most, I decided to use the extended (OUT) position of the switch to shift the roll off deeper to better match larger rooms or those who listen at lower levels wanting more lift to the bottom end.  The response below 15Hz is parallel, but higher in level to the original response, with the +/-3dB window shifting down to 15Hz vs. the 19Hz of the original.

Please note I have yet to confirm the total cost of the upgrade.  I have only posted that new SubMersive HP's are $300 more.  I believe with back/forth shipping included the early upgrade price will be $350-400.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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