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Mark_Seaton
TheLion wrote:
Dear Mark,
 
with the current PSA Triax fiasco going on I begin to understand your own troubles with the XL design over the past few years better and better. A situation like that is very unfortunate for everybody involved and can break a small company. I sincerely hope Tom and Jim @ PSA manage the turn around.
 
How is your Submersive XL design doing? Any progress on that front? Does the (very smart) introduction of the Master/Slave option for the Submersive change anything about your XL plans/concept? Looking at it the comparative XL performance (~2x Submersive HP) just got alot more affordable - so the target price and/or performance target of the XL may have changed as well. Can you please provide a status update! Thank you Mark!
 
Best regards,
Walter


Hi Walter,

As I've said many times, having had some experience with surprises from suppliers in the past, just getting a sample part in hand and placing an opening ordering of parts is not sufficient to know something will be deliverable. 

I'm also chuckling at some comments I've seen about PSA getting the international Triax version together while I've had it announced to be in our plans but not yet delivered.  Of course I suspect that poster isn't aware of the HPi+/F2i+ offering.  PSA's Triax will use the same type amplifier as I offer in the "i+" versions.  I'm one of the SpeakerPower's largest customers, and it was only recently I became confident in offering the international version in terms of having bugs worked out and warranty issues.  In hindsight of what we've vetted out, there most certainly would have been issues had I started shipping them a year ago or more.  Of course now others who source from SpeakerPower will benefit from the same testing and waiting.  I believe I shipped more of the 240V capable SpeakerPower amplifiers overseas to early testers than JTR sold thus far...  The very strong interest in the HPi+ & associated upgrades has proven I was absolutely correct in the potential exposure of releasing a product too soon.

The SubMersive XL is still a product I would like to offer.  The only way the Master/Slave option for the SubMersive affects this is to make it easier to hold off from offering something that's nothing more than a higher output SubMersive.  At this point the hold on the product remains finding a capable supplier who can build a suitably impressive driver.  There are plenty of high excursion 18" woofers I've passed on which have been lacking in linearity, low noise operation, or confidence in supply.  I held raw steel & magnet parts in my hand for one sample back in January of this year... which I still haven't received.  A product isn't much use if it's constantly out of stock when priced competitively and profitably.  I am very hopeful for a few options, but don't expect to see much info until I have good confidence in supply.  Premature announcements result in backpedaling and assuring those waiting that the new option you've had to re-source is even better in place of the added delays...

In the mean time, I think a stacked master/slave pair of SubMersive F2s will be highly impressive for $4,090 or $3,990 US if you purchase multiples or are adding more to your system.  6' tall subwoofers are pretty cool after all. [cool]

Also note we have many parts in stock and aside from this 1-2 week gap where the demand during introduction of the master/slave option ran through parts before our next orders arrived, once those parts arrive we'll continue to have parts in stock and ready to ship in 0-3 days for stock finishes.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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TheLion
Thanks for your kind reply Mark. Please let us discuss this further per PM - sent. Cheers!
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TheLion
PM not sent - your inbox is full ;-) You've got mail.
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calentz
TheLion wrote:
PM not sent - your inbox is full ;-) You've got mail.

Mark has repeatedly said to use E-Mail
Carl
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cdnbum88

He likes for folks to use the sales email as compared to his PM email I believe.

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Dustcap
Mark_Seaton wrote:

I'm also chuckling at some comments I've seen about PSA getting the international Triax version together while I've had it announced to be in our plans but not yet delivered.  Of course I suspect that poster isn't aware of the HPi+/F2i+ offering. 


Hi Mark,

I guess you are referring to me in this case. You are right, I wasn't aware of the HPi+ offering when I wrote this. And as I recently promised when complaining about your product announcements which don't come true I would be the first one to apologize when you implement your last statement about the arrival of the HPi on time.
 
So I'll keep my promise:

Sorry for bashing your release policy, you finally got it going!
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Blackdevil77
Any updates on this??
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Mark_Seaton
Moving along nicely, and will be happening, but we are not taking any orders or deposits until they are ready to ship.  Feel free to e-mail us at sales@seatonsound.net asking to be put on an e-mail notify list to be notified first when they are available for order.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Blackdevil77
Mark_Seaton wrote:
Moving along nicely, and will be happening, but we are not taking any orders or deposits until they are ready to ship.  Feel free to e-mail us at sales@seatonsound.net asking to be put on an e-mail notify list to be notified first when they are available for order.


That's awesome news, can't wait to hear more information about this. Are the dimensions known yet?
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Blackdevil77
Hey Mark, is the new Submersive XL gonna compete with the likes of this monster???

http://www.funkaudio.ca/store/p9/Funk_Audio_Subwoofer_-_18.2_-_Power_Level_2.html

A pair or two pairs of these should satisfy nearly anybody in nearly any size room found in a home
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Mark_Seaton
Blackdevil77 wrote:
Hey Mark, is the new Submersive XL gonna compete with the likes of this monster???

http://www.funkaudio.ca/store/p9/Funk_Audio_Subwoofer_-_18.2_-_Power_Level_2.html

A pair or two pairs of these should satisfy nearly anybody in nearly any size room found in a home


When it comes to sealed subwoofers, box size always matters.  I'm pretty confident our physically larger SubMersive XL will compare very well for ~1/3rd the price.  Nathan Funk is a serious craftsman/artist who makes some beautiful products that perform very well.  For those with more space available than the very compact (for a dual 18") 18.2 occupies, we'll have some great looking and extremely powerful options available.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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llang269
So when can we expect to see them Mark?
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Nabs17
And what will the dimensions be for the XL?
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Mark_Seaton
Nabs17 wrote:
And what will the dimensions be for the XL?


I am going over some of the geometry with our cabinet shop and may still make a +/- 0.5-1" adjustment to better optimize parts fit, assembly and production, but I'm expecting the dual opposed 18" SubMersive XL to be roughly 28" wide x 22" deep x 28" tall when the drivers are oriented on the left/right sides.  The required open space in front of the driver will remain the same as the 15" SubMersive at about 3".
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Johnnyk
I am salivating!  I can't believe it is almost here.
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Sands
Is there a website to view all the Seaton products?
Thanks
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pennynike1
Mark has his current offerings listed on page 1 on the following page:

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/product-listing-availability-status-and-pricing-3364736?trail=20
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Nabs17
Hey Mark, thought I would drop a post in this thread and see how things are going with the XL.

Any timelines?

I'm in the market to do a sub upgrade and am considering the XL.
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Mark_Seaton
Nabs17 wrote:
Hey Mark, thought I would drop a post in this thread and see how things are going with the XL.

Any timelines?

I'm in the market to do a sub upgrade and am considering the XL.


Until it is in production or ready to ship, I can't win with any speculated time line.  Some further progress was made this week, it is coming, and will be demonstrated at Axpona 2015.  Beyond that I'm not promising any dates.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Nabs17
Thank you Mark this answers my question.
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herndonb
It's been nine months since a post...how's the opposed 18 going?
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Mark_Seaton
We will start taking orders on the F18 later this coming week, with delivery ~3 weeks following.  A dual 18" will be a beast of box to ship, handle, and fit in rooms, where the single 18" modules offer a lot more flexibility and options.  I will build a dual opposed 18" version in attractive package, but no promises on when.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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herndonb
Copy all Mark.  A general question about the 18 inch driver you are liking vs. the proven 15 inch that works so well in the SubMersive then...the amazingly low distortion of the 15" (like the <0.5% at 50 Hz)...can an 18" driver achieve distortion THAT low?  I'm just thinking that as the driver gets bigger maybe it's hard for the manufacturer to keep the stiffness high AND keep the mass low?  What I'm getting at, is the SubMersive going to hold a sound quality advantage, but the 18" may hold a volume advantage?  Thanks for your expertise.
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