JWJ
SubMersive HP vs THIS? Not that I really care, as my SubMersive HP meets my bass needs with flying colors, just curious is all. 

Oh and long time no see, its been a long time since I posted here.
James W. Johnson

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gpburns

Not sure how much Velodyne has improved this series. Looks like some nice

upgrades put in. Been great company – I’ve had them in my systems for many years (back to ULD days)   

My last subs before my Seaton’s were the HGS 18’s (same performance as DD-18's) 

Were top dog for long time but not even in same league as the Submersive. 

Was really surprised how much they were out performed in my room in all aspect – sound quality, extension, volume etc     

Gary
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audioguy
I had dual DD18's before going to the Submersive.  Not even close (forgetting the two to one price difference).

One Submersive will destroy a DD18 but for the same price as the velodyne I get two SubMersives.

Don't bother. 



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JWJ
audioguy wrote:
I had dual DD18's before going to the Submersive.  Not even close (forgetting the two to one price difference).

One Submersive will destroy a DD18 but for the same price as the velodyne I get two SubMersives.

Don't bother. 


LOL, the post I hoped to read ^^^, thank you!  I love my SubMersive HP to death.  "destroy a DD18"... really?

Yeah, Velodyne is not exactly giving that subwoofer away....LINK  I just ran into a thread at blu-ray.com that mentioned a sale at Velodyne and I decided to see what their most expensive offering is right now and that ^^ is it. Back when I first got into the home theater hobby around ~1995 Velodyne was the subwoofer king. I think JL Audio has the better mass production subwoofers these days, no?


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Highrez

I just unloaded my old trustyVelodyne FSR-18 1998 edition for a Submersive. My Submersive hp blows the doors off of it.I am really glad that I took the plunge. I got the black lacquer edition and it is simply beautiful to look at and also I am competely stunned at the speed and difference this sub has made to my system. I am hearing bass riffs that were not being produced by the FSR. I highly recommend the Submersive, once you hear it you are instantly hooked, it happend to me over Sandbagger's. I had to have one. Mark has done a tremendous job. 

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Bunga999
Highrez wrote:
 I got the black lacquer edition and it is simply beautiful to look at and also I am competely stunned at the speed and difference this sub has made to my system. 


You cant make a statement like that without posting a pic of that beauty/eye candy!

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Highrez

Bunga , The picture will be coming soon. The sub is simply delightful. 

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sa
hi folks - this is my first post here, and this is just the topic i've been thinking about over the last few days.

a little background, and then i'll turn it over to you for advice.  (i wrote to mark last night with this info).

i recently purchased a new audio system consisting of:

emerald physics cs1.3 speakers (dipole open-baffle)
prism orpheus dac/preamp
wyred4sound amps (3: 250, 500, 1000w)
spatial computer "black hole" noise cancellation unit
spatial computer software
purepower 2000

the source is a mac mini 8gb running itunes, spatial computer, and the orpheus software.

the system is used only for music.

the room is rather large:  25'x25'x8' with a 5' wide open staircase at the rear of the room running up to a very large studio (3 stories, 25'x50') and an open hallway also at the rear extending to bedrooms and a kitchen.  a *lot* of air to move.  i've appended photos of the front and rear, the latter showing a bit of my old divas.

the room is dedicated to audio, so WAF/aesthetics don't enter into the picture.

the 1.3s are stunning:  fast, articulate, clear, and *real*.  for reference, systems i've owned over the last 20 years include martin-logan electrostatics, B&W 801s, and Apogee Divas, with various generations of krell amps and preamps.  no vinyl.

what i'm looking to do now is add one or more subwoofers to the system.  this is a new venture for me, and reading up on the topic, i note the wide range of opinions on how best to accomplish the integration without compromising the "musicality" of the result.

i'm assuming that the subwoofers will be connected to the orpheus and thus allow the emerald physics folks to "retune" the system with the additional subwoofers.  (this procedure is performed in real-time with a microphone and a remote session on the mac.)

i've already looked at reviews of the velodyne DD+18, the REL G1, and a few other consumer-audio subwoofers, but only just discovered the submersives.  coming off a very positive experience with emerald physics and spatial computer, i'm inclined to favor the pro-audio approach and to be somewhat skeptical of the hyperbolic marketeering of the larger outfits.  and i like what i've read on this forum.

ok, so i'd be grateful if you would weigh in and tell me what you think of the idea of adding one or more submersives to the system.  is this is a good fit for my application?  anyone out there with similar experience?  i've appended links to the ep and sc sites below.

caveat: i'm NOT an audio engineer, so a lot of the technical measurement talk goes right over my head.  

thanks in advance,

sa

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capecodorthopod
sa welcome to the Seaton Sound forum. Nice components. The Submersives are very versatile. They are clean and articulate from >180 hz to below audible frequencies and should integrate well with virtually anything.
Your room is nice but looks acoustically bright. You'd benefit a lot from broadband absorption with bass traps in the corners and/or behind the speakers and some a few 2" thick panels at the first reflection points on the ceiling. I know you have room correction SW but some basic physical treatments will still make a huge difference.
A Submersive or two would give your set up a nice tight, full bottom end.
Tim
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audioguy
Those look like Apogee Diva  speakers that I used to own.  LOVED them!!
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Sean_W_Smith
Welcome,  nice looking setup.   agree on room treatments.  Also used to lust after Apogee Stages when I first graduated from college.   Best way to get information of course is to pick up the phone and give Mark a call.

Sean

Silicon Valley, CA and Huntsville, UT

and Formerly Raleigh, NC. Loving the mild weather, hating the cost of EVERYTHING!
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JWJ
Wow, beautiful home you have there SA, all that glass, the wood floors and that nice rug and nice looking gear, very nice! The only think missing from that stunningly beautiful set-up is a SubMersive or 2. 
It looks like you have a taste for the best of the best and you came to the right place if your bass requirements are the same.
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sa
thanks all.

i've decided to go with a pair of subs from nathan funk.  given comparable performance, the decision reduced to one of aesthetics, and nathan's outstanding craftsmanship and the variety of custom finish options finally tipped the scales.

i'm sure that one or more submersives would have satisfied my requirements for filling in the low end, so it was a difficult choice.

let me add this, although i'm sure everyone on this forum already knows what i only discovered over the last six months.  after 15 years out of the audio market, the proliferation of one-man startups really is amazing.  although it feels like you're taking a risk spending big bucks on a piece of equipment you can't audition in a showroom, in the final analysis this is an illusion.  the big consumer audio firms, especially at the medium-high end, seem to spend as much effort concealing the limitations of their technologies as they do on marketing and middle-management.  the stories i could tell about the krell equipment i've owned over the years ....

for those of you who still drool over the classic planars from apogee, let me assure you that clayton shaw's speakers, DEQ'd via spatial computer, are, at least to my ears, superior instruments.  what finally drove this home was AB'ing the latest CD incarnations of several coltrane albums (Ballads, A Love Supreme) with the hi-res downloads from hdtracks.com.  after years of listening to these recordings on my divas, to hear the 96/24 versions playing through the cs1.3's was simply shocking.  so much musical information buried in those bits ...

anyway, thanks again for your responses.  i'll stick around and continue to read in this forum.

sa







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JWJ
Nathan Funk? Link to the subs that you are getting please, I am curious. And I am also curious if anyone here has a SubMersive in a music only system and how its performance is for that purpose. Anyone?
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audioguy
JWJ wrote:
Nathan Funk? Link to the subs that you are getting please, I am curious. And I am also curious if anyone here has a SubMersive in a music only system and how its performance is for that purpose. Anyone?


My room is for both home theater and two channel music. And the SubMersives are at least as good for music as they are for movies. Set up properly, they completely disappear. If there is a better commercial sub AT ANY PRICE for music, I have not heard it!
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MikeDuke

JWJ wrote:
Nathan Funk? Link to the subs that you are getting please, I am curious. And I am also curious if anyone here has a SubMersive in a music only system and how its performance is for that purpose. Anyone?

Probably something from here

http://funkywaves.net/index.cfm

I simply love this stuff.
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Sean_W_Smith
SA where on the planet r u located?



Silicon Valley, CA and Huntsville, UT

and Formerly Raleigh, NC. Loving the mild weather, hating the cost of EVERYTHING!
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JWJ
SA PMed me a link to the subwoofers he got or is getting. They look pretty nice. LINK 

I cannot imagine that there are very many subwoofers on the planet that can perform a whole lot better than the SubMersive. One SubMersive in my ~2800 cubic foot room is almost too much, with the gain knob up 5 clicks from the off position I would guess it barely gets off an idle most nights and I bet I have never used more than ~50-60% of what its capable of.


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jaylal
It's nice to see posted US prices higher than Can for a change .

JLal
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