Mark_Seaton
Over the past year or so I've had more cases come up with home theaters now building with solid baffle walls and other applications where I've been asked if we could do a SubMersive with both drivers on a single face...

While the SubMersive can be easily be set into a wall with a 32"w x 26"h x 20" deep cavity (to allow for the 2-2.5" for the Power & XLR connectors), there are plenty of cases where all drivers on one side would make more installations practical.  Stemming from some other sample cabinets we have worked out with our cabinet shop this summer, an opportunity with 2 customers and a handful of SubMersives justified moving forward with this new package option for the SubMersive.

The SubMersive F2 allows for packing the performance of a SubMersive into spaces a SubMersive might not have previously fit.  With this version I have also planned for multiple amplifier mounting locations, where aluminum block off plates will cover the unused openings.  The dimensions of the sample cabient you see below are 35" tall (35.75" with feet), 20" wide and 15" deep (15.625" w/grill).  This can easily be set on side to have a 35" x 20" face dimension, and the amplifier can be mounted on the side to allow less than a 16" total depth, which is about the space you need to place and angle a set of Catalyst 12Cs.  The angled rear corners also allow easier clearance in many situations such as corner placement, where the shape sits 3-4" closer to the corner than a comparable square-back box.

I'll add some pictures of the loaded cabinet later this week.  I am still awaiting confirmation on some prices, but I expect this cabinet will carry a $200-250 premium over the original, plus any veneer or finish options.  For most cases and rooms I would recommend the original, dual opposed SubMersive's package, but the 'F2 should open a few more options planning their systems:




As you can see here, with the departure from the opposed mounting and force cancellation of the 2 woofers, I made sure there was plenty of bracing to keep things nice and solid.  I heard the phrase "jigsaw puzzle" mentioned a few times from the assembly crew.

We should have some black satin versions in house to build up within 3 weeks.

More to come. :-)

Addition for 8/1/2012:
To save those some searching through the length of this thread, you can directly find pictures of the completed SubMersive F2 in this post/thread, and below:





Detailed dimensions are now posted in a PDF here as well.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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gpburns
cool stuff
those would work great as side or rear speakers stands in my set-up
Gary
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calentz
As a working speaker, I doubt if they would be as inert as the original design.

Carl
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Mark_Seaton
calentz wrote:
As a working speaker, I doubt if they would be as inert as the original design.
Carl


It is true that without extra weight for no purpose than being heavy, they won't be as perfectly still as the original SubMersive.  That said, the walls are all very well braced, and they should be fine to place a speaker on with an appropriate rubber pad under them similar to what I use on the top of the stands.  We can cut and supply a suitable pad if desired.  Had the samples been done in time, a pair would have served as the stands for the rear CAT-8C's at our demo in Indy a few weeks ago.

With a 20" or 35.75" height, suitability as a stand will depend on the specific room and seating, but rear surrounds certainly make sense in balancing and distributing subs in the room as I've repeatedly found general front and rear locations to be very workable and useful at efficiently covering the entire subwoofer range.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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junglesun
Great!

First thing in my mind ... Now eD's A7s-650 has a direct competitor called "SubM F2".   

1000W/2400W vs. 1300W
2x15" woofers vs. 2x13" woofers
35"x20"x15" vs. 38"x16"x16" (almost same volume?)
$1695+$250=$1945 (Pre-owned 1000W) vs. $1950
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MikeDuke
That looks really great Mark.  A nice option for those who need it.  
I simply love this stuff.
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audioguy
MikeDuke:  You need a couple of those in addition to your SubMersive.  Put cushions on them and use them as seating.

Then you would have some serious woof!!

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MikeDuke
With that shape I probably could put one in the front of my room so please do me a favor, DO NOT TEMPT ME.  I think having a dual 15in 2400 watt sub that now has the freedom to go as low as it wants is plenty right now.
I simply love this stuff.
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calentz

What ever happened to the Terraforms?

Carl
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Mark_Seaton
calentz wrote:

What ever happened to the Terraforms?

It's still on hold.  Now that I have found a solution to get the performance I wanted from the 18" PR, stubborn/problematic suppliers(more than one) have kept it from being released.  It's getting closer, but not for sale until I have final parts tested and operating in the first units. 

Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Mark_Seaton
These look much cooler with the drivers loaded and amp holes plugged.  After we get the block off panels in place I'll post some more pictures tomorrow.  We're also going to engrave the Seaton Sound logo into the two blank panels very similar to what was done on the face of the Turbo amps seen here:


Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Mark_Seaton
Some quick photos of the sample loaded up.  This was just a quick paint job to make it black and some makeshift block off panels, but the concept is pretty clear, and I'm diggin' it.



I took these shots next to a Catalyst 12C we had out for testing to add some scale:






Once the final panels arrive, the side block off panels will have the logo seen in my last post engraved in the middle.

Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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MikeDuke
Very nice Mark.  It would be cool if you could stack a cat, whatever version, on one of those and get a super tower.  But if you did that it might mess up the how the drivers of the cat are oriented towards your ears.  Too high maybe,  But it would still look badass.  Congrats again
I simply love this stuff.
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chayut
The SubMersive F2 looks beatiful mark. How wold it perform against the original Sumb?
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FOH
That looks FANTASTIC!

If that thing performs similarly to the original, dual opposed,...then this is a high fly ball,...out of the park.
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getech
chayut wrote:
The SubMersive F2 looks beatiful mark. How wold it perform against the original Sumb?


As Mark eluded to:

"For most cases and rooms I would recommend the original, dual opposed SubMersive's package, but the 'F2 should open a few more options planning their systems"
Greg
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Mark_Seaton
chayut wrote:
The SubMersive F2 looks beatiful mark. How wold it perform against the original Sumb?


Thank you chayut.  I'm rather fond of the look myself.  As the thread title implies, the performance is the same, the package is different.  When standing tall the exact woofer locations can result in very slightly different loading of the room, but these are effects you will only see above ~60Hz, and not huge differences at that.  Setting the 'F2 on it's side (20" tall) would result in nearly identical in-room performance.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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chayut
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Thank you chayut.  I'm rather fond of the look myself.  As the thread title implies, the performance is the same, the package is different.  When standing tall the exact woofer locations can result in very slightly different loading of the room, but these are effects you will only see above ~60Hz, and not huge differences at that.  Setting the 'F2 on it's side (20" tall) would result in nearly identical in-room performance.


That is good to hear. let see if I have more space for 1 or 2 F2.




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FOH
It's the most aesthetically pleasing product in the entire line-up in my opinion. The combination of the chamfer, and the broad shoulders, which was evident in the previous pics. But now that they're loaded w/drive units,...damn they look killer! There's a symmetry of diameter, chamfer size, width and height,...that just looks bad-ass.

At under $6k a stack, this and a Cat12 would be a world beater monitoring unit for various film, studio or mastering applications. What other single channel would offer single digit extension, and a time and freq correct package with virtually no limitations wrt output? BagEnd?...please 

These things are beautiful, ...sure, the dual opposed may be theoretically correct. But this sub is flat out gorgeous.


Best of luck
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gpburns

FOH wrote:
It's the most aesthetically pleasing product in the entire line-up in my opinion. The combination of the chamfer, and the broad shoulders, which was evident in the previous pics. But now that they're loaded w/drive units,...damn they look killer! There's a symmetry of diameter, chamfer size, width and height,...that just looks bad-ass.

At under $6k a stack, this and a Cat12 would be a world beater monitoring unit for various film, studio or mastering applications. What other single channel would offer single digit extension, and a time and freq correct package with virtually no limitations wrt output? BagEnd?...please 

These things are beautiful, ...sure, the dual opposed may be theoretically correct. But this sub is flat out gorgeous.


Best of luck

Along the same lines – Mark do any of the mixing studios use your gear

Is that a market you have looked at –

I would not even bother having grills for these - love the way they look

Gary
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JohnnyV
These would bring the hotness lit up behind my new screenwall arrayed nicely under my cat trio.
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ironhead1230
I have been trying to decide on a good center channel stand to match my CAT8Cs and have also thought about getting a second submersive.  The F2 may be what I am looking for.  On its side, it would put the center a little higher than I originally wanted, but would match it perfectly.  Would there be any issues using this on its side as a stand for a horizontal CAT8C?  Would it be possible to get an F2 without the amp cutouts in the sides?  With an upgraded veneer, I would rather not have the metal filler plates on the sides.  Also, is there an estimate for when these would be ready to ship and would they qualify for the veneer discount?

-Mike
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Mark_Seaton
ironhead1230 wrote:
I have been trying to decide on a good center channel stand to match my CAT8Cs and have also thought about getting a second submersive.  The F2 may be what I am looking for.  On its side, it would put the center a little higher than I originally wanted, but would match it perfectly.  Would there be any issues using this on its side as a stand for a horizontal CAT8C?  Would it be possible to get an F2 without the amp cutouts in the sides?  With an upgraded veneer, I would rather not have the metal filler plates on the sides.  Also, is there an estimate for when these would be ready to ship and would they qualify for the veneer discount?

-Mike


Hi Mike,

You are a step ahead of me on the side amp panels.  The standard black SubMersive F2's will have all 3 mounting options as standard, while I'm debating just sticking to the back panel option for the veneer options as these are more likely to be used in room with a rear amp location. We'll basically make the side amp locations optional on the veneered F2's.  Of course in your case the CAT-8C would entirely cover the side amp panel, and the panel will be pretty clean with cool Seaton Sound logo cut in the black panel.

I also changed the feet mounting on the 'F2 to allow removal of the feet and recessing the screws to keep the foot mounting sealed up while you see no more than a small black dot where the feet are located.  You can then place the removed feet under the side it sits on.

The $100 veneer savings does apply to these, as does the multiple SubMersive owner discount of another $100.  I may have to adjust the F2 pricing in December, but pricing will be +$250 for the F2 cabinet style. 
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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ccotenj
mark, i want that painted black cabinet...

and a second one as well...

empty, of course... i've got this (possibly crazy) idea of stuffing my existing drivers/amps into a pair of these, and building (very strong) mounts to put them up in the front corners of my room...


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gpburns
Mark are these in full production yet
Any owners?
Gary
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