upinsmoke
Hello all there!

I've been looking into the Submersive more and was trying to get a better sense of whether this would be a good product to include in my system.

It would be placed in a 24'x21' finished basement.   The main viewing area would be at one of the small ends of the room with a bump out closet next to it blocking off the stairway going down.

I actually have a SVS PB13-Ultra on pre-order but was wondering how this compared to that unit, or to one of the BMF's which are scheduled to come out later in the year.

Also, what kind of warranty comes with the submersive?

Any advice or help you could give in the matter would be greatly appreciated...
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Mark_Seaton

upinsmoke wrote:
Hello all there!

I've been looking into the Submersive more and was trying to get a better sense of whether this would be a good product to include in my system.

It would be placed in a 24'x21' finished basement.   The main viewing area would be at one of the small ends of the room with a bump out closet next to it blocking off the stairway going down.

I actually have a SVS PB13-Ultra on pre-order but was wondering how this compared to that unit, or to one of the BMF's which are scheduled to come out later in the year.

Also, what kind of warranty comes with the submersive?

Any advice or help you could give in the matter would be greatly appreciated...

Obviously it's tough to give any real comparison to a product that isn't in anyone's hands yet and no measurements have been published or mentioned.  I have my guestimates of what I expect it to do, and there are of course limits to how much air can be pushed through given size ports.  If you search the threads on AV123 of the BMF I have posted many comparisons between my expectations of it an other subwoofers on the market, including the SubMersive and PB13-Ultra.

The SubMersive and PB13-Ultra are rather different, and of course are priced and sized differently.  I do expect the PB-Ultra13 to be a very capable performer like other SVS products before it.  The SubMersive is a bit different in both design and strengths.  In the upper 2/3rds of the bandwidth where the detail and slam come from, the SubMersive will clearly pull away.  In use this generally translates to the ability to play notably louder overall or produce bigger dynamics without strain. 

With all ports open the SVS will be quite powerful around 20Hz and will probably edge out the SubMersive in maximum numbers.  The trade here is in extension below 15-18Hz where the SubMersive will couple into your ~4000 cu.ft. basement rather well.  The SubMersive is also very well behaved right to its limits, where there is very little compression, or loss in dynamic peaks, right to the point you clip the amplifier.  A port will exhibit more gradual softening of the peaks as level increases and the air-flow becomes non-linear.

One of the significant strengths of the SubMersive is the in-room depth of the response, and this will be hard to match without sacrificing dynamics in the upper octaves.  Also remember that if you ever add a second SubMersive, you continue to gain useful output to the very lowest frequencies, and if you put the time into measuring and EQ'ing your subwoofers, there are even more gains to be had that will not be found with other products.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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upinsmoke
Thanks Mark for your response back on this.  

One other question - what warranty comes with this unit?  And do you have any in stock now?

Thanks,

Leon
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mojomike
Hi Leon. I too have a PB 13Ultra on pre-order, but performancewise, I'd bet on the submersive having a bit of an edge due to the fact that it has two active 15" woofers. No doubt, SVS did put a lot of development effort into that new 13" woofer, but I still think it can't move air like two 15's.

The main reason I'm hanging in there with the Ultra is the furniture-like finish and, of course, it's about 25% cheaper.

If I wasn't planning on using the Ultra as an endtable, I'd probably get a submersive.
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upinsmoke
hey there mojo -

Yea,  there is the factor of finish on the SVS unit, but can it really be used as an endtable though?  Would a glass of water slowly walk off it from vibrations?  From what I've read of the Submersive it seems to be built like a rock.  Yea,  $ is a consideration (but isn't it always?  otherwise I'd be driving a Ferrari!)  but I really want to do this right the first time and not have to consider down the road that I made a sacrifice for a relatively minor amount of money (given the amount I've output to date into the system).

It's tough to say the least in making any of these decisions sight and sound unseen.  But I took a chance with Mark on the Rockets and Emo with their gear from recommendations of the AV123 family and was not steered wrong.

Anymore in my life I dont mind putting abit more $ out knowing it is benifiting a cause or person I respect.   Don't get me going about my choice in coffee and gas stations anymore lol
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MikeDuke
About the site un-seen thing.  I have done that 3 times, including this sub, and have not been burned.  Basically, with this purchase I went on the opinions of people I trust.  Plus when I met Mark at CES, I knew I did the correct thing.  I can honestly say I have no regrets at all with this sub.
I simply love this stuff.
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mojomike
The two subs in question here are undoutably both going to be excellent subs. I doubt either one would cause regrets. I, myself, would not choose one or the other based on price only. Appearance, however, leads me to the SVS.

I think it can serve as an endtable because it weighs-in at 155 lbs. That should keep it from jumping around. I plan to get a piece of glass cut to the size of the top which will then rest on little clear rubber spacers.
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