Mike_WI
A quick site search didn't locate any hits, so sorry if this has been discussed.

Are there any (or plans for any) Seaton outdoor speakers?
I live in WI, so need something pretty weatherproof for the back deck.
I have a Russound house system and just received (FedEx tracking from today) an Emotiva UPA-2 amp to add some umph to the otherwise weak whole house amp system.

Mike
Link to HT pics: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1078118
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Mike_WI
Spring is in the air.

If no Seaton outdoor specific speakers, can people comment on other good outdoor speakers or links/sites.

I'm looking for adding and/or replacing in the following areas:
- garage (small Russounds out there now)
- deck (small Russounds out there now)
- deck sides x2 sets of two (nothing there now but wired)

Mike
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JohnnyV

consider adding an outdoor subwoofer.....   that will make a big difference in whatever you have out there now or replace with.

I've got 4 little HIVI 4" full range drivers spread around around my patio area... needless to say not much of a speaker by any means.  Tossed in a rock subwoofer into the landscaping and not only can you not see any speakers generally..,  the sound is focusable and even distributed throughout the area... so it doesn't bother the neighbors, and everyone says wow it sounds really good out here where are the speakers

very bose like  but gets the job done

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Mike_WI

JohnnyV -

Same idea for me.

Speakers near doors (outside) leading onto deck and plan side speakers for sides of (raised) deck.  Like you said, more speakers helps give an "even" sound field for people moving around (this is outdoors, not a 2 channel "critical listening" system).

I have looked (briefly) at above and below ground outdoor subs.
I will eventually add some power to a patio in the back, so I could do powered subs if needed.

Mike

EDIT: low rez pic enclosed of back deck and one of two "side" mounting areas and "top" deck Russound speakers

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JohnnyV
Until Mark comes up with his outdoor solution I went this way

I tried to do a DIY underground bandpass...  worked great but eventually was overcome by mothernature and water....

Then replaced with simple rock one from outdoor speaker depot or similar ?? can't remember...  I power it internally using an old receiver for amplification driven off a sub out on the source
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JohnnyV

This idea isn't original there is a company that is doing almost the exact same thing for some big $$$..  

Didn't look too hard to put it together myself so here it is..


note dings on cone...  weathered a major hail storm with minimal cosmetic damage..  same storm resulted in all house siding and roof needing replacement along with a few window screens that were torn


and said failed sub attempt


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Mike_WI

JohnnyV wrote:
Until Mark comes up with his outdoor solution I went this way

I tried to do a DIY underground bandpass...  worked great but eventually was overcome by mothernature and water....

Then replaced with simple rock one from outdoor speaker depot or similar ?? can't remember...  I power it internally using an old receiver for amplification driven off a sub out on the source

These look interesting H15 ($170 each) or H14 ($130 each) or H11 ($130 each) -- but I would need 2 sets of 2 = 4.
(which is okay).


For those prices I could just get two to test and play with and buy more if needed.

Also there is a sub...
HF25



I don't believe any of the outdoor speaker FR quoted by manufacturers.
Very few reviews that I've seen though.

. All-Weather Versatility tree trunk rock bass  
. Teflon-sealed Fiber Reinforced Polyester aerospace grade cabinetry
. 8" black polypropylene cone with a rubber surround
. Power handling: 250W

. Frequency Response 20Hz - 200Hz
. Sensitivity 89db 

. Unit Dimension:20"L x 20"W x 15"H
. Unit Weight: 30  lbs
. 3-year warranty
.
Sold in single



Mike

PS - To clarify, I would have an out on my Russound amp going to an Emotiva power amp (UPA-2) go to speaker wires outside, where they would need to split to 2 sets of 2 speakers.  So, presumably 8ohm -> 4 ohm.  That's why I got a more powerful amp to drive them.

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Mike_WI
JohnnyV wrote:

This idea isn't original there is a company that is doing almost the exact same thing for some big $$$..  

Didn't look too hard to put it together myself so here it is..


note dings on cone...  weathered a major hail storm with minimal cosmetic damage..  same storm resulted in all house siding and roof needing replacement along with a few window screens that were torn


and said failed sub attempt


Cool.
Those look like outdoor lamps.

Why did the sub fail?

What do you use for volume control?
Do you have an outside volume knob?

Mike
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JohnnyV
I went with the HF26 has a woofer and passive radiator...  does suprisingly well......  I agree don't trust any specs..  that said it does create a good amount of bass way more and deeper reaching than any other typical outdoor bookshelf type speaker I've run across..  and for this application is more than sufficient..  I use just one..   Granted it isn't the best rock reproduction as it looks like standard fleck stone spray paint.  It's some what centrally located and hidden behind a bush next to the house.  I think I'm gettin some boundry gain off the house but it also had ample volume out in the landscaping as well just didn't look all that nice.  Kind of like a big plastic rock

And  yes you are correct....  enclosures compliments of Malibu...  everyone says where are they....  all I see is lights around here

Sub failed due to water intrusion primarily due to flawed design.  It's hard to find materials that are cheap easy to work with and can survive below grade for any length of time while keeping out the elements.  I settled on basing the design on a 5 gallon bucket and some old 10" woofers I had laying around for years.  Long story short mating PVC to the plastic used on a bucket (maybe polyethlene?) is not a job for commonly available adhesives or sealents.  It actually worked OK for a few months but eventually gave way.  It still works just doesn't sound nearly as nice

For source and volume we have SONOS and I just reroute an infrequently used zone from the house over the patio in the summer. (all zones come back to a central utilitiy closet in basement typical whole house wiring, I routed th patio wiring to here as well)  We just take the sonos controller from the kitchen area out to the patio when we are out there..  makes for fun BBQ with friends as they can pick any song they want on the fly and adjust volume etc... 

Mike_WI wrote:

Cool.
Those look like outdoor lamps.

Why did the sub fail?

What do you use for volume control?
Do you have an outside volume knob?

Mike

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Jason
Hi guys,

My cousin is a custom installer in our area (Tulsa) and he just put 1 of these at a customers house. I haven't heard it yet, though....
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Mike_WI

Jason wrote:
Hi guys,

My cousin is a custom installer in our area (Tulsa) and he just put 1 of these at a customers house. I haven't heard it yet, though....




Wow.
2 15" woofers
5 ft wide
$5250

A little too much for me, but impressive.
Any comments from your cousin?

Mike
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Jason
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been installed yet. I believe it is destined to go out somewhere around the pool. I've seen it all wrapped up on the pallet though. It's huge, and very solid. There are also 2 65" weatherproof plasmas as well...I know one has been in stalled but I don't know about the other.

I really need to make the time to go out to the site with him someday to see what he's doing.

On their website, they also have some stuff that's a lot less expensive.
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Mark_Seaton
Mike_WI wrote:
A quick site search didn't locate any hits, so sorry if this has been discussed.

Are there any (or plans for any) Seaton outdoor speakers?
I live in WI, so need something pretty weatherproof for the back deck.
I have a Russound house system and just received (FedEx tracking from today) an Emotiva UPA-2 amp to add some umph to the otherwise weak whole house amp system.

Mike


Hi guys,

Good thread here.  Outdoor sound is something that I feel has been given way too little acoustic design effort where most efforts have been in terms of durability.

The other much overlooked aspect is "where" the sound goes with respect to neighbors.  There is tons of knowledge about this sort of thing used in pro audio and with outdoor amusement parks, but you don't see it available to most yet.  I have been gestating some ideas for quite a while that I haven't yet been able to test out, as the AV123's face-plant has me still doing a lot more work here that is intended to be done by others.  The support and interest in my designs in the past 6 months has made some huge progress to that end, and I'm hopeful to be able to actually address some of these ideas this summer and next year.  I've even considered finding some very in-expensive housings of complete products and gutting them for major upgrades. 

Seeing that huge outdoor sub does give me a few ideas though, as I have some designs very well suited for backyard music use.  It does occur to me that some of these sorts of projects do really fall in the DIY realm, and might make sense to offer kits prior to finished products in this niche...
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Jason
You know....Mark mentioning paying attention to your neighbors.

Reminded me of something I read about a few years ago that used ultra high frequecy panels.

Doing a quick search, I found this Wondering if something like this could be used in congested residential areas.
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Mark_Seaton
Jason wrote:
You know....Mark mentioning paying attention to your neighbors.

Reminded me of something I read about a few years ago that used ultra high frequecy panels.

Doing a quick search, I found this Wondering if something like this could be used in congested residential areas.


Hi Jason,

It can, within limits.  You would probably have trouble or it would get expensive to cover a larger area, but they do work.  I believe there are also low frequency limits to the devices.

There are other ways to control directivity.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Jason
Cool Mark, I figured there would be LF limitations....still a cool technology. This could be cool in an office situation I would think.

Just a quickie note....I sent an email, hope you got it..
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Mike_WI

Mark_Seaton wrote:
Mike_WI wrote:
A quick site search didn't locate any hits, so sorry if this has been discussed.

Are there any (or plans for any) Seaton outdoor speakers?
I live in WI, so need something pretty weatherproof for the back deck.
I have a Russound house system and just received (FedEx tracking from today) an Emotiva UPA-2 amp to add some umph to the otherwise weak whole house amp system.

Mike


Hi guys,

Good thread here.  Outdoor sound is something that I feel has been given way too little acoustic design effort where most efforts have been in terms of durability.

The other much overlooked aspect is "where" the sound goes with respect to neighbors.  There is tons of knowledge about this sort of thing used in pro audio and with outdoor amusement parks, but you don't see it available to most yet.  I have been gestating some ideas for quite a while that I haven't yet been able to test out, as the AV123's face-plant has me still doing a lot more work here that is intended to be done by others.  The support and interest in my designs in the past 6 months has made some huge progress to that end, and I'm hopeful to be able to actually address some of these ideas this summer and next year.  I've even considered finding some very in-expensive housings of complete products and gutting them for major upgrades. 

Seeing that huge outdoor sub does give me a few ideas though, as I have some designs very well suited for backyard music use.  It does occur to me that some of these sorts of projects do really fall in the DIY realm, and might make sense to offer kits prior to finished products in this niche...

Mark -

Let me know if you want a "test yard" for your beta designs.
I'm not _that_ far from Chicago (SE WI).
I have a good sized yard, but with neigbors around, so it could test various parameters.


Mike
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mfine
Mark_Seaton wrote:
AV123's face-plant


LOL!

You' been spending too much time in Utah with Sean!
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Mark_Seaton
mfine wrote:
Mark_Seaton wrote:
AV123's face-plant


LOL!

You' been spending too much time in Utah with Sean!


The phrase seemed appropriate as simultaneously embarrassing, painful, detrimental to overall health, and rarely intended or planned.

2 Days out at Sean's (Sean is an awesome host) left me satisfied yet anxious for more.  Fortunately my parents still know how to bait myself & my sister into hanging out with them for a few days... ski trip.  So yes, skiing's on the mind.
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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Mike_WI
Mark -

Hi.
I don't know if you've seen this thread at TCA:

Link

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1270
"Outdoor Subwoofer?"

...but I was wondering if you have any new developments in outdoor speakers.

Thanks,

Mike
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Mike_WI
Any updates/new installs/gear from people?

Mike
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Mike_WI
It's been a few months.
I realize that energy is going into other products.
Just wondering...
Any updates?

Thanks.

Mike

PS - Any other ideas for outdoor speakers/subs that aren't Seaton designs?
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Mike_WI
Since I see a little grass (in the protected, sun exposed areas) in my yard, I thought I'd re-ask...

Any updates/new installs/gear from people?

I realize outdoor products are likely low on the Seaton "To Do" list, but either Seaton products or interesting non-Seaton outdoor speakers would be fair game to talk about.

Mike
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mfine
I saw these window shopping the other day.  The shop was closed so I did not get a listen, but I would guess they are worth further investigation.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1603

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Mike_WI

mfine wrote:
I saw these window shopping the other day.  The shop was closed so I did not get a listen, but I would guess they are worth further investigation.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1603

Cool.
Still waiting for any potential Seaton Sound solutions.


Mike
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