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MikeDuke
Thanks for those very nice comments. I have been working on my system for years now.  Slowly upgrading over time.  I am very happy with the sound and picture I get.  The only reason I wish for a larger room is so I can have a larger picture. Although I do realize that big rooms have their own issues.  The seats were a necessity as all other traditional HT seats were just way to big,  With this size chair the main spot(which I am in) really sounds great.  Having JM Labs+ a Seaton sub sure helps as well.  Moving the sub out of the corner was a great idea.  It really helped to even out the bass in the room.   Mark, Craig and his friend Dennis have really helped me get my system to where it is.  What really gets me is the center sound stage I get when I listen 2 2ch.  It is really spooky sometimes.  If I have my system in bypass mode for cd's, and I have both amps on, I sometimes have to walk up and put my ear to the center to make sure it is not on.  Same with LP's.  And with them I know there is no way the center is on but I still get fooled.  Yep we have the main chair right where it should be.

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MikeDuke
As sort of a continuation of the last post, here is a post that I put on AVS because Craig was curious to my thoughts on analog VS digital.
OK.  Craig was curious if I had done any cd to LP comparisons.  I have wanted to but his question forced me to act.  So tonight I started.  This was not a blind test to see if I could tell which was playing.  This was just which sounded better to me.  I listed to John Mayall "Turning Point" and AC\DC "Back In Black".  First let me say that the OPPO is a very good player.  But to be honest, IMHO, it can't hang with my analog setup.  First up was John Mayall.  That album is a good test.  It is live.  Plus it has a number of different instruments playing at once.  On that record you hear guitar, bass, saxophone, flute, harmonica and the voice.  On this record all of those instruments and voice sounded more real.  The bass was much better in particular.  It just drew you into the music.  The notes seemed to be more extended.  Like they lasted longer.  When I switched to the cd everything seemed more compressed.  It still sounded good but it also sounded like they were shouting at you.  I should also mention that I kept the level the same.  The instruments did not extend as much with the cd.  It was just a much more enjoyable experience to listen to the LP as compared to the CD.  

Now the other album I chose was AC\DC back in black.  Only this time I played the CD first and then listen to the LP.  AC\DC is your basic blues hard rock band.  In comparing the two, cd and LP, LP "wins" again.  The bass line and drums were just more natural sounding.  The Guitars and vocals were powerful without being piercing.  Again, I kept it at the same level.  With the LP it was much more flowing.  As before, the notes seemed to extend for a longer period of time.  It's like with CD's the edges are clipped or cut off.  The OPPO is a fine player and to be honest, it is just as good as the $6,000 Esoteric it replaced.  But for me, it just can't compete with my table and cart combo.  Now I know that LP playback is not for everyone.  People like multichannel music and cd's are fine.  If you think I am crazy, that's cool.  On some records you do hear some pops.  But that has to do with the quality of the record itself, how clean the needle is, and how clean the record is.  I have records that are clean, or 180g and there are virtually, and sometimes no pops at all. I may do more comparisons but the results and thoughts would just be the same.  Vinyl sounds more realistic, more relaxed, and just plain better to me.  Is it for everyone, probably not.  But that's OK.  I normally go my own way anyway.  I will do some more tests because they are fun and interesting
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FOH
I read that post on AVS,.. What's your Config thread. You inspired me to consider LP playback again. I have a nice collection of LP's, and I'd enjoy perusing through them and enjoying a few of the goodies. We'll see, I'm glad you're enjoying yours. I find your comments, really interesting as well;

 
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 The bass was much better in particular.  It just drew you into the music.  The notes seemed to be more extended.  Like they lasted longer.  When I switched to the cd everything seemed more compressed.


Nice.

I always enjoyed the entire process of playing a record. Flipping thru the albums,...pulling one out,..like "ahhhaa". Then, placing it on the platter, cleaning, then carefully handling the tonearm/cartridge and easing the needle into the initial play in pre-groove. One didn't change selections as often as one does with other handier formats. Sit back, bob your head-tap your feet while reading the album cover. I'll never forget Boston's debut release,...while reading the liner notes, between the paragraphs it states; "Listen to the record!" I'll never forget that time, reading the back of that record. The incredible vocals, guitar work, and of course the production quality was superb,...I'm thinking "Who are these guys, this is incredible".  

Sorry for the OT Mike, merely stream of consciousness typing.


Thanks, continued good luck
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MikeDuke
Not off topic.  If you enjoy music then it is on topic for sure.  The TT I have is pretty nice.  Not "main stream" maybe, but it sure makes my records sound great.  I have a cleaning machine as well.  It has helped.  I agree about album covers in general as well. I like reading them.  Some of them have paragraphs on the back that explain the music besides the liner notes.  Yea, I like my analog rig.  And with my 1027's, records really sound great.  But that does not mean that I don't like to punish my room with TRON and HTTYD because I do.  If you like your record collection so much you should get a table.  You don't have to spend what I did.  There are plenty of nice tables out there that won't break the bank.  Besides, it takes a certain type of person to get the table I did.  One who can look past what may look silly and seem stupid and just listen to the music.
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MikeDuke
I was just wondering about my own system and I did some searching.  This is going back to the setting up of the sub with the SMS-1.  We could not find a setting to totally remove the subsonic filter so we set it as low as it would go. That would be 5 Hz, 6 dB/octave.  So it is not running totally free but close enough for me.  
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Going to leave the filter as it is.  I don't think it would make that much of a difference in my room.  
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MikeDuke
OK, this entire area has been pretty dead for awhile so I thought I do a  gratuitous post to bring it back to life.  I posted on AVS but I want to try and keep both threads going.  I have Crowson transducer for one of my chairs.  Wow did it make movies even more fun.  I did burn it out and have to get it fixed but now I have it set at the correct level and it really adds a lot to the experience. The SubMersive is certainly a main stay and sounds fantastic but the Crowson does two things.  First, it gives me even more of a tactile feel which I really like.  Second, because of that I can play my movies a little lower and still get that "shaking" feeling that I like.  Craig was the one who installed that for me.  So after all this time, I still really like my system .  
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audioguy
I have been in  a number of rooms with a number of different "motion transducers" that move the seats ("butt kickers", etc), including the supposed high end solution D-Box.  Regardless of the product, or the setting, I have always found it a huge distraction to my involvement in and enjoyment of the film.  With the ability of the SubMersives to go loud, low and clean, I'm quite pleased with the low end response in my room.

That said, I have come to respect Craig Gassman's audio knowledge and we have similar tastes in sound quality. So it might be interesting to sit in his theater to "feel" what his transducer do in his room.  And since he did your room, yours probably  sounds/feels like his.
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MikeDuke
It is more of just adding a bit extra.  It does not take away from the movie at all.  This is the only motion system I have experienced though.  If I thought it took away from the experience in anyway, I would not have used it.  The way I look at it this way.  It is allowing me a way to get a more tactile feel that people get with multiples with only having one sub.  Plus, it allows me to get that feeling without disturbing anyone else.  

I was very satisfied with the SubMersive in my system as well.  But when I had Craig bring it over so I could test it out, I knew I had to get it.  Craig has also experienced the D box and hated it.  This is much more subtle then that I think.  Again, it adds more down really low.  For example, WOTW always sounded great and felt great.  But now I getting even more of the very low stuff and it just add more to the film experience.  
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audioguy
Maybe I'll just invite myself to Craig's home and check it out !!
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MikeDuke
It's worth it for sure.  His system with the projector, screen, Triads and triple HP's is really something.  Again, in my system, I really like what the Crowson adds.  No matter what speakers I have, it will always have a place in my system.
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MikeDuke
Just so I can have it all together, I posted a link to my AVS thread in the first post of this thread.  Just because 
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audioguy
Mike:

Did you used to have a Parasound P7?  I am looking for an analog preamp that supports flexible and true bass management and the only ones I have found are the P7 and the Emotiva XPS-1.  There is a huge difference in price ($1900 vs $900) but if I could find a used P7 it may be a better solution.

Chuck
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MikeDuke
No.  I only had the Halo C2 HT preamp.  Parasound seemed to stream line their operation and get rid of the HT products and focus on amps and 2ch preamps.  I have no doubt that the P7 is a very nice preamp.  Yea, $1000 is a big difference but you have to weigh how much better it would be for your system.  You tag line is "Life is uncertain.  Eat dessert first!!!".  I have a saying, "No Regrets".  I don't believe in having regrets so I get what I really want, no matter how long it may take me to get it.  No matter how long.  Six months, a year.  It makes no difference to me.  If what I really want, I will save up and get it.  What ever "it" is.  So I would say try to get the P7 if it fits your needs more. 
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audioguy
Mike:  Is your theater/listening room in a basement or on wooden floors?

I ask because the theater in my new home will be upstairs and am wondering if it will affect my ability to get the clean tight bass I have now.  Do you have your sub on any kind of feet or stand or anything?

Thanks...
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MikeDuke
Sorry it took me so long to get back.  I was unable to reply for a while.  I am on the second floor so it's probably just carpet over wood.  I have my sub on a Gramma Platform but I really don't know if that makes a big difference to be honest.  I had my previous sub on it and I just decided to keep it.  I don't have any problems at all getting great, clean, tight bass in my room.  It has been EQ'ed with Audyssey XT32+SMS-1 by Craig and Dennis and the bass is just awesome.  They can both vouch for that.  
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MikeDuke
This is like no mans land but I will post an update anyway.  I have had an Integra 80.3 for a while now.  I don't think I really posted my issue and it's not really important now, but I was able to get an 80.3 from Integra because of the lack of service I received from them when my 80.2 went down.  The 80.3 is really nice.  I also added a media server from a company called Beatis.  It is really good for Blu Ray movies, music, and other kinds of video flies like avi files.  It just doesn't like standard DVD's so I am not putting any more on.  But it is really cool having my movies right at the touch of a button.  Plus it sounds and looks fantastic.  That's it for know.  
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Thomas_Smith
Btw, could you tell me difference between Halo C2 HT pream and Parasound P7?
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MikeDuke
Wow.  It's been quite a while since I have been here as well.  Thomas, if you look in here, I haven't had the C2 for many years and I never had the P7 so I can't compare.  I am using a Marantz 7702MKII now and I really like it.  Plus I added Atmos enabled Focal speakers.  I got the Focal Sib speakers.  I like them a lot.  I am still pleased with my system.  Plus I don't know if I mentioned this or not but another upgrade was to a Samsung 8500 TV with an OPPO 4k player.  So I am pretty set up.  
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MikeDuke
I haven't been here in so long that my first post is too old to edit.  So this is my system now
Preamp
Marantz AV 7702 mkII
Original video settings
Video Mode-Auto
Video Conversion-On
I\p scaler-HDMI
-Resolution (HDMI) 1080p
-Progressive Mode auto
-Aspect Ratio 16:9

EQ
Velodyne SMS-1

Amps
Wyred4sound STmkII
Wyred4sound MC7150

TV
Samsung 55" js8500 series

Player/source
OPPO 203
Custom built server(post 1258)/JRiver media software 
Raid 1 18.1 
Raid 2 21.8 TB
Sony PS3

Speakers
JM Labs 1027Be,
JM Labs CC1000be,
JM Labs Chorus 705v,
Sib Evo Atmos 
Seaton Sound SubMersive HP(program 2),

Analog
Well Tempered Amadeus GTA turntable
Dynavector XX2mkII cartridge
Dynavector DV P-75mkII preamp

Chairs
2 Lazy Boy Leather Harbor Town recliners
Crowson Technology TES 100 Tactile Motion System(for one chair)
Buttkicker BKA 1000 Amplifier

Power Protector
APC H15BLK 12-Outlet H-Type Rack-Mountable Power Conditioner

Treatments
2 GIK Tri-Traps.
2 GIK 242 bass traps
4 GIK 244 bass traps

I like it very much.  I have newer pics on AVS.  I am really lazy to do all of them over here.  Like I said, I have had the SubMersive since probably 2006 and love every movie I play.
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