calentz

 

Hello,

       I bought two SubMersives & am waiting for their delivery. I will be using them in my temp HT. (My bedroom) I was going to wait to order the Catalysts, but I guess I will get them ordered also.
        Problem: I am going to have to tear off my original room because of water damage and start from scratch. (I had tried several times to repair the water leak - NO JOY)

        The original room size was ~ 17X22. Since I will be starting from scratch?? Most everywhere people are moding an existing structure, so that is no help. I need a starting point & hear that there is such a thing as a Golden Trapagon Room. First a room size (Change width to ~ 22 & Length to ?, then an Architect, then the build.

        Your thoughts please!

        The reason I asked for the weight of the Catalyst, was in my temp HT, I have a speaker shelf supported by the front of my 71" RPTV & the rear (By way of two poles) to the TV stand that holds TV.

        I will be sending you an E-Mail for the Catalyst order.

 

Carl

 

 


Carl
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mfine
Ideally, I would like no parallel surfaces (walls, floor, ceiling) and dimensions that allow all 7 speakers to be equal distance from the sweet spot chair. I also want to have all seats between 1.3 and 2.3 screen widths back from
A 16:9 image.

That requires a rather large room which in itself can be less than ideal for bass, but if you have the funds, Seaton can fill any space you can build.
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calentz
Hello,
      I expect to have a seating distance of ~12 -16 ft & the two subs on the sidewalls. (To deal with room modes) I wish to design for sound 1st & Vid 2nd. (I can have pretty much any room length)

Carl
Carl
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JimP

They're some new speaker placement theories being kicked around that increases the number of speakers up to 10 or 11.   I'm not sure that I buy into some of it (sounds like they're just trying to sell more equipment) but at the very least, I'd put wiring in place to accomodate it.  You can get more information from the AVS Audyssey thread (I think its called DSX).  Yamaha and Dolby have come up with their own variances.  You probably would want to check those out as well.

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calentz
Thx, I will do that. While over @ AVS, I find it interesting to find posts by Mark.
Carl
Carl
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Mark_Seaton
calentz wrote:

 Hello,

       I bought two SubMersives & am waiting for their delivery. I will be using them in my temp HT. (My bedroom) I was going to wait to order the Catalysts, but I guess I will get them ordered also.
        Problem: I am going to have to tear off my original room because of water damage and start from scratch. (I had tried several times to repair the water leak - NO JOY)

        The original room size was ~ 17X22. Since I will be starting from scratch?? Most everywhere people are moding an existing structure, so that is no help. I need a starting point & hear that there is such a thing as a Golden Trapagon Room. First a room size (Change width to ~ 22 & Length to ?, then an Architect, then the build.

        Your thoughts please!

        The reason I asked for the weight of the Catalyst, was in my temp HT, I have a speaker shelf supported by the front of my 71" RPTV & the rear (By way of two poles) to the TV stand that holds TV.

        I will be sending you an E-Mail for the Catalyst order.

 

Carl


Hi Carl,


Thank you for the Catalyst order.  You are headed toward one serious system upgrade.


Things have been very busy of late with a bunch of Catalysts shipping out and SubMersives and Sparks still in the que.


How about we start with these questions to set the base line before we start talking about trapezoidal rooms (which I'm not a proponent of, but I do like the presentation/feel they offer).

  1. You mention you can make the room any size you like, but we will need to know what the outer limits are and what the height of the room is or is limited by. 
  2. I'm guessing this may be a basement, or is it a main floor on slab, an upper level or over a crawl space?  
  3. How much interest/concern do you have in isolation from external noise and isolating sound reaching the rest of the house?
  4. How many seats and/or rows were you interested in?
  5. Would you be open to investing similar dollars as the 3 Catalysts in a very high confidence and high quality room + acoustic design? (Yes, I have someone in mind - but not me. )
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
sales@seatonsound.net
773-290-8436
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calentz

Hello,

       I have lived in the same two story house for the last 35 yrs. The room to be replaced was permitted by the former owner as a enclosed patio. (Actually why we bought the house) 
      The room is on the ground level and could extend 40 or 50 ft.
      The room could be as high as necessary.
      I am basically an antisocial rat with desires to please only me. (A one row sectional of perhaps one chair & two love seats, or maybe three love seats widths)
      The entrance to the room would be to the rear off of the house. (The city could require more doors)

      Yes, I would want the sound to be contained, both ways.
       Since the room is to be considered as part of my house, there would have to be plans that were approved by the city. (I also suspect that it will have to be a room within a room because I have heard rumors about required windows, etc.) 

 

Carl
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calentz
Hello,
      More info: I need input as to the basic room size, etc. (Having plans drawn is hard without them) Adding to the problem is my uncertainty as to where to locate the projector. (In front or behind the screen)

Carl
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calentz
Hello,
       Update: I finally got the interconnects and was able to setup / tweak my two Submersives. (A big diff) I was amazed at the amount of change when I was finally able to come up with the time to pull the side channel amp out of the rack, tear it down and repair the right channel. (It had been dead for some time & the system did not seem that bad)
     Back on topic: When I replaced my former two subs with the Submersives - WOW! (And this has been with only music!)
Mark: I don't believe that I will be able to make the No Cal meet, I still would like to have your input for the room size / design.

Carl
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Utnapishtim
Hey Calentz,

Willing to share your impressions of your SubMersives?

I'd love to know anything about your former subs, your room, your equipment, the demo material, etc.

Not asking for a novel, but would really enjoy any details you can give!

Thanks in advance.
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MikeDuke

Glad to hear that you have them up and running.  Looking forward to hearing some detailed thoughts on them.

I simply love this stuff.
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calentz
Hello Utnapishtim,
      In a response to another post, (SVS PB13 Owner but Submersive Curiosity)
I mentioned some about my temp room. (My bedroom) Perhaps some 25 - 30 years ago, I pressed Fosgate about the design of their surround speakers - in the design phase (I had a model 3 on order) I constructed mine from their notes to me (Although a bit larger using 2 Polk 10b speakers) See the humor from "Grew" from whom I purchased my Submersives. The shirt is hanging from the Rt surround speaker assy. For a quick & dirty attempt match my current system config to the new speakers, I usedAvia Pro AudioTest Tones”: 5Hz to 120Hz sweep. Later I was able to create a shake experience something like the several earthquakes I have been through. (See the attachment)
      My current processor is a H/K Citation 7 & four racked Sumo Polaris amps for the main channels. A SAE A502 amp powered the subs (Speakers that I put together using a JBL "14" driver in a reflex config. (The speakers were an oddity as the speaker basket was cropped allowing it to fit in a narrower enclosure) I like the way the Fosgate - H/K processors EXTRACT ambiance - rather than CREATE it. (I will likely purchase a Lexicon processor for the new HT)
       One recording that I found that the Submersives really brought to life was "The Dark Side of the Moon". I believe it was mastered in Quad, then to two channel. My processor brings it back to life. (No I don't have the Quad tape)

Carl
   

 

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Carl
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Utnapishtim

calentz wrote:
Hello Utnapishtim,
      In a response to another post, (SVS PB13 Owner but Submersive Curiosity)
I mentioned some about my temp room. (My bedroom) Perhaps some 25 - 30 years ago, I pressed Fosgate about the design of their surround speakers - in the design phase (I had a model 3 on order) I constructed mine from their notes to me (Although a bit larger using 2 Polk 10b speakers) See the humor from "Grew" from whom I purchased my Submersives. The shirt is hanging from the Rt surround speaker assy. For a quick & dirty attempt match my current system config to the new speakers, I usedAvia Pro AudioTest Tones”: 5Hz to 120Hz sweep. Later I was able to create a shake experience something like the several earthquakes I have been through. (See the attachment)
      My current processor is a H/K Citation 7 & four racked Sumo Polaris amps for the main channels. A SAE A502 amp powered the subs (Speakers that I put together using a JBL "14" driver in a reflex config. (The speakers were an oddity as the speaker basket was cropped allowing it to fit in a narrower enclosure) I like the way the Fosgate - H/K processors EXTRACT ambiance - rather than CREATE it. (I will likely purchase a Lexicon processor for the new HT)
       One recording that I found that the Submersives really brought to life was "The Dark Side of the Moon". I believe it was mastered in Quad, then to two channel. My processor brings it back to life. (No I don't have the Quad tape)

Carl

Alright--thanks Carl for that background, etc.

So, I'm assuming that being able to "creat a shake experience something like the several earthquakes I've been through" qualifies as the good news I'm looking for about the SubMersive's capabilities, eh?!

Also, that it rocks on music is a major bonus--I'm about 30% music and 70% HT.

Anything else you'd like to say about the SubMersive's performance is also welcome!

Thanks,
Phil
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