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Posted 03/14/09 at 04:34 PMReply with quote #1 
Lead times last updated 5/9/13 @ 3pm CST

I will be keeping this first post up to date with current information and availability.  Products with unknown availability will not be detailed in this thread.  Some designs listed as special order or long lead will move toward regular availability at some time in the future.  Please email sales@seatonsound.net or call 773-290-8436 to order or verify shipping costs.  A zip code is required for a shipping quote within the US and full street address is often required for shipping quotes to Canada and other international destinations.

Please note all lead times and updates are for new orders which have not yet been processed.  Any lead time changes for customers with orders already in the que will be handled directly via e-mail.

The following are currently available products:
All orders include a free Audio Toolkit DVD.  Limit one per customer, subject to availability. (Currently out of stock, to be shipped when available)
All new items carry a 3 year warranty from manufacture defect from the time of receipt of the product.  Warranty is transferable by the original owner supplying us with the new owner's name, e-mail, and postal code.
    • SubMersive HP Subwoofer -  (1 business day)
      • DSP Controlled (manufacturer only) 2400W high efficiency amplifier - fully assembled in the US.
      • 120V nominal operation only.
      • Dual opposed, 15" sealed subwoofer.
      • $2,295 + shipping (typ. $130-160 ground shiping cost)
      • $2,195 each + shipping for multiples or for current SubMersive owners. ($100 savings each)
      • UPDATE!  $200 savings on 2nd SubMersive if ordered within 60 days of a first unit. (same price as ordering 2 at the same time)
      • Dimensions: 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H (Link to PDF) (including feet & grills)
      • Weight: 124 lbs
      • Packed for shipping: 29" W x 22.5" D x 30" H, 138 lbs
      • Black Satin - Non-stocking finish, replaced with our new Black Maple finish.
      • Real wood veneer options with magnetic grills (Link to Photos)
        • Black Oak veneer - standard price (1 day)
        • Black Maple veneer -standard price(1 day)
        • Maple veneer - +$100 (1 day)
        • Espresso stained cherry veneer + $200 (1 day)
        • Red stained cherry veneer + $200 (1 day)
        • Golden cherry veneer + $200 (1 day)
        • Vintage cherry veneer + $200(1 day)
        • Rosenut (red stained walnut veneer) +$300 (1 day)
        • Piano Black - (currently unavailable - TBA)
    • SubMersive F2 Subwoofer - +$250 over SubMersive HP (1 day to 2 weeks - finish dependent)
      • Front Firing, dual 15" sealed subwoofer.
      • DSP Controlled (manufacturer only) 2400W high efficiency amplifier - fully assembled in the US.
      • 120V nominal operation only.
      • $2,545 + shipping (typ. $135-160 ground shiping cost)
      • $2,445 each + shipping for multiples or for current SubMersive owners. ($100 savings each)
      • UPDATE!  $200 savings on 2nd SubMersive if ordered within 60 days of a first unit. (same price as ordering 2 at the same time)
      • Dimensions: 20" W x 15.625" D x 35.75" H (Link to PDF) (including feet & grills)
      • Left/Right side blank plates can allow side amplifier locations (customizations available).
      • Weight: 125 lbs
      • Packed for shipping: 24.25" W x 20" D x 40" H, 141 lbs
      • Standard finishes are Black Maple & Black Oak.
      • Real wood veneer options with magnetic grills (Link to Photos)
        • Black Oak veneer - standard price (1 day)
        • Black Maple veneer -standard price (1 day)
        • Maple veneer - +$100 (2 weeks)
        • Espresso stained cherry veneer + $200 (2 weeks)
        • Red stained cherry veneer + $200 (1 day)
        • Vintage cherry veneer + $200 (2 weeks)
        • Rosenut (red stained walnut veneer) +$300 (2 week)
        • Piano Black - (currently unavailable - TBA)

  • SubMersive Subwoofer (the original - New units no longer sold - pre-owned amplifiers only)
    • DSP Controlled (manufacturer only) 1000W ICEpower amplifier
    • 115V/230V selectable, appropriate PowerCon power cord for destination address/country is included.
    • Dual opposed, 15" sealed subwoofer.
    • $2,195 + shipping (no longer available for ordering)
    • $2,095 each + shipping for multiples or for current SubMersive owners. ($100 savings each)
    • Dimensions: 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H (Link to PDF) (including feet & grills)
    • Weight: 124 lbs
    • Packed for shipping: 29" W x 22.5" D x 30" H, 138 lbs
    • Black Satin - Non-stocking finish, replaced with our new Black Maple finish.
    • Real wood veneer options with magnetic grills
      • Black Oak veneer - standard price 
      • Black Maple veneer -standard price 
      • Maple veneer - +$100 
      • Espresso stained cherry veneer + $200 
      • Red stained cherry veneer + $200 
      • Golden cherry veneer + $200 
      • Vintage cherry veneer + $200
      • Rosenut (red stained walnut veneer) +$300 
      • Piano Black - 
    • SubMersives with pre-owned 1000W amplifiers - $1795 + finish premium + shipping - very limited stock, please e-mail or call us to confirm how many we have available as this changes daily. These are a great option for our international customers who cannot yet take advantage of the SubMersive HP.  These can of course be upgraded with the HP amplifier at a later date.  These amplifiers are typically are sold within 2 days to 2 weeks once ready for sale.  Warranty is 1 year on the amplifier, 3 years on the enclosure and 15" drivers. Amplifiers out of warranty will continue to be serviceable.

  • Catalyst 12C Powered Loudspeaker (ships within 2 days to 3 weeks - finish dependent)
    • Internally tri-amplified (1,000W-700W-300W) loudspeaker
    • 115V/230V selectable, appropriate PowerCon power cord for destination address is included.
    • 8" coaxial midrange w/Neodymium magnet 1" HF driver
    • dual 12" sealed woofer
    • Intended operating range: 50-20,000 Hz
    • 38" H x 16" W x 14" D (Link to PDF)
    • $3,595 each + shipping
    • Weight: 116 lbs
    • Packed for shipping: 21" W x 19" D x 44" H, 132 lbs
    • Premium veneer options -
      • Black Oak finish - standard price (10 business days)
      • Black Maple finish - standard price (3 weeks)
      • Maple veneer $200 (special order - 3 weeks)
      • Espresso stained cherry veneer + $300 (3 weeks)
      • Red stained cherry veneer + $300 (3 weeks)
      • Vintage cherry veneer + $200 (3 weeks)
      • Rosenut (red stained walnut veneer) +$350 (3 weeks)
      • Piano Black - (currently unavailable - TBA)

  • Catalyst 8C Powered Loudspeaker (Available to ship with 4 week lead time)
    • Internally tri-amplified (500W-350W-150W) loudspeaker
    • 115V/230V selectable, appropriate PowerCon power cord for destination address is included.
    • 8" coaxial midrange w/Neodymium magnet 1" HF driver
    • dual 8" sealed woofer
    • Intended operating range: 65-20,000 Hz
    • 28" H x 11" W x 11.75" D
    • $2,495 each + shipping (Black Satin)
    • Weight: 66 lbs
    • Packed for shipping: 16" W x 16" D x 36" H, 78 lbs
    • Premium veneer options -
      • Black Oak finish +$100
      • Black Maple finish +$100
      • Maple veneer $TBA
      • Red, Espresso, Vintage and Golden stained cherry wood veneer +$200 
      • Rosenut $TBA

  • Spark Powered Loudspeaker (Currently NOT available for order - Redesign in progress, dimensions and pricing subject to change)
    • Internally Bi-amplified (160W-140W) loudspeaker 
    • Universal Voltage operation (no switching needed), appropriate PowerCon power cord for destination address is included.
    • 8" coaxial midrange w/Neodymium magnet 1" HF driver
    • Compact vented 2 way design
    • Intended operating range: 70-20,000 Hz
    • 17" H x 11" W x 11" D
    • 36 lbs.
    • Textured black finish
    • $1,495 each + shipping

Special order or long lead time designs: Currently NOT available for ordering.
  • Terraform (To Be Announced) Currently NOT available for order.
    • High Output, Ultra Low Frequency subwoofer design
    • 15" driver (internally coupled)
    • 18" coupled radiator
    • Sealed rear chamber
    • DSP Controlled (manufacturer only) high efficiency amplifier 6000W - US Made
  • Terraform XL (holding for re-tooling of key parts) Currently NOT available for order.
    • High Output, Ultra Low Frequency subwoofer design
    • Two(2) 15" drivers (internally coupled)
    • Two(2) 18" coupled radiators
    • large enclosure with slot vent tuned to ~12Hz
    • DSP Controlled (manufacturer only) high efficiency amplifier 6000W - US Made
    • Tentative dimensions: 54" x 22.5" x 28"
    • Frequency response:  15-100Hz +/-3dB - in-room extension 10-11Hz
    • Weight:  ~280 lbs
    • Pricing TBA
Hopefully this will provide a little added clarity and make for a quick reference to see where things are at or provide direct links to further information on products.
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Posted 03/22/09 at 10:37 PMReply with quote #2 
Bump!  Added dimensions for the Catalyst and Spark in the post above.

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Posted 03/23/09 at 06:28 PMReply with quote #3 

Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts


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Posted 03/23/09 at 06:34 PMReply with quote #4 
Mark must be falling into the industry standard practice of overstating of power specs

Just kidding of course....  I'm sure as implemented the ICE modules are delivering the said power levels.
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Posted 03/23/09 at 07:02 PMReply with quote #5 
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Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts



Specs' for each power amp section is a rather gray area for any amplifier.  If I just went by the nameplate specs for the ICEpower modules used it would be more generous.  The Catalyst's amplifier has 2 1000W modules and a 500W module for the tweeter.  Those ratings are for nominal 4 Ohms.  Of course we aren't rating what the amplifier can deliver into one or two different loads that someone might connect to the amplifier.  This is a closed system, where the power I specified above correlates pretty well to the useful Voltage available into the load of the drivers.  In the end, 300W vs. 250W is less than 0.8dB of headroom difference.  Power output for most any amplifier will vary greatly just in simple changes of distortion thresholds.  I focus on SPL output, as that's all that really matters in this case, and the listed power ratings align pretty well with the measurements I have taken.
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Posted 03/23/09 at 09:19 PMReply with quote #6 
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Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts



Specs' for each power amp section is a rather gray area for any amplifier.  If I just went by the nameplate specs for the ICEpower modules used it would be more generous.  The Catalyst's amplifier has 2 1000W modules and a 500W module for the tweeter.  Those ratings are for nominal 4 Ohms.  Of course we aren't rating what the amplifier can deliver into one or two different loads that someone might connect to the amplifier.  This is a closed system, where the power I specified above correlates pretty well to the useful Voltage available into the load of the drivers.  In the end, 300W vs. 250W is less than 0.8dB of headroom difference.  Power output for most any amplifier will vary greatly just in simple changes of distortion thresholds.  I focus on SPL output, as that's all that really matters in this case, and the listed power ratings align pretty well with the measurements I have taken.


You know...those were my very thoughts exactly

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Posted 03/24/09 at 04:51 PMReply with quote #7 
Quote:
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Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts

Yeah, your room isn't very loud.


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Posted 03/24/09 at 06:25 PMReply with quote #8 
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Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts



Specs' for each power amp section is a rather gray area for any amplifier.  If I just went by the nameplate specs for the ICEpower modules used it would be more generous.  The Catalyst's amplifier has 2 1000W modules and a 500W module for the tweeter.  Those ratings are for nominal 4 Ohms.  Of course we aren't rating what the amplifier can deliver into one or two different loads that someone might connect to the amplifier.  This is a closed system, where the power I specified above correlates pretty well to the useful Voltage available into the load of the drivers.  In the end, 300W vs. 250W is less than 0.8dB of headroom difference.  Power output for most any amplifier will vary greatly just in simple changes of distortion thresholds.  I focus on SPL output, as that's all that really matters in this case, and the listed power ratings align pretty well with the measurements I have taken.


You know...those were my very thoughts exactly


LOL, you asked a simple yes or no question "did the amp change?" and Mark offers a lengthy response that does not provide a yes or a no!  I think the man has a future in politics!

You could interpret the response as "yes there was a change but it does not make any real difference" or "no there was no change, not that it would have mattered, but the exact specs are a grey area and I am simply reporting a revised number that more closely resembles the measured data"
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Originally Posted by HTMARINE

Mark did the current catalyst get a 50W boost in amplification for the compression tweeter? I believe mine are 250w and your latest spec is 300w, hey you owe me 50watts



Specs' for each power amp section is a rather gray area for any amplifier.  If I just went by the nameplate specs for the ICEpower modules used it would be more generous.  The Catalyst's amplifier has 2 1000W modules and a 500W module for the tweeter.  Those ratings are for nominal 4 Ohms.  Of course we aren't rating what the amplifier can deliver into one or two different loads that someone might connect to the amplifier.  This is a closed system, where the power I specified above correlates pretty well to the useful Voltage available into the load of the drivers.  In the end, 300W vs. 250W is less than 0.8dB of headroom difference.  Power output for most any amplifier will vary greatly just in simple changes of distortion thresholds.  I focus on SPL output, as that's all that really matters in this case, and the listed power ratings align pretty well with the measurements I have taken.


You know...those were my very thoughts exactly


LOL, you asked a simple yes or no question "did the amp change?" and Mark offers a lengthy response that does not provide a yes or a no!  I think the man has a future in politics!

You could interpret the response as "yes there was a change but it does not make any real difference" or "no there was no change, not that it would have mattered, but the exact specs are a grey area and I am simply reporting a revised number that more closely resembles the measured data"


Good point.

I was planning on posting the quick 'n dirty translation of the HTMarine's question and the answer:
Q: "Hey Mark, is this a shiny new amplifier upgrade, and if so how do I get it?!?"

A:  "Nope, same amplifier, revised specs.  You were upgraded as soon as I posted it! "
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Posted 03/25/09 at 07:55 PMReply with quote #10 
I have seen that several have asked what is the weight of each of your products - I would also like to know.
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I have seen that several have asked what is the weight of each of your products - I would also like to know.
Carl


Hi Carl,

I will do some double checking for more precise numbers this coming week, but the SubMersive is about 120 lbs net, with a 132 lbs shipping weight.  The Catalyst is about 115 lbs net, with a 125 lbs shipping weight.  The Spark just got put on some weight gainer with the final box design, so I'll have to wait for the first boxes to be sure.

Do keep in mind that the amplifiers I use are extremely light weight.  The Spark's amplifier is a feather weight 2.5 lbs, the SubMersive's amplifier only 7 lbs, and the 3 channel amplifier for the Catalyst still only 10 lbs.
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Posted 04/23/09 at 09:42 PMReply with quote #12 
Minor updates made to the list with lead times and some early info on one form factor of the Terraform XL.

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Posted 05/09/09 at 12:05 PMReply with quote #13 
Progress update on the inbound SubMersive parts.  I will have firm dates for the required parts to arrive by Wednesday next week (13th) after which I can again provide accurate lead times.
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Posted 05/14/09 at 10:22 AMReply with quote #14 
Good news.

We are pretty well set for a certain availability by the end of June for SubMersives, and my supplier is working hard to get parts on hand for some openings in the production schedule which could make SubMersives available 1-3 weeks earlier! 

Translation:  Worst case shipping dates for new SubMersive orders will be the week of June 29th, with the possibility of shipments as soon as the 8th or 15th, making for a 3-6 week lead time.

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Posted 05/14/09 at 03:20 PMReply with quote #15 
Yet another update to the update...

We'll be shipping SubMersives by June 15th, and we are targeting a maintained 1-3 week lead time for orders placed after that date.  SubMersives will be delivered in the order in which payment is received, and the line has already started forming.

Most all orders received before May 27th should be shipped the week of June 15th, after that delivery will depend on the size of the backlog varying from 1-3 weeks.
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Posted 05/14/09 at 05:25 PMReply with quote #16 
Are the prices of stands included in the price of Catalysts and/or Sparks?

Do you in fact still make stands for these products?

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Are the prices of stands included in the price of Catalysts and/or Sparks?

Do you in fact still make stands for these products?

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Hi kirby',

Stands are additional, and are built to order so we can adjust height as needed.  20-24" tall stands put the center/tweeter of the Catalyst at 39-43" in height, which works pretty well for many flat floored rooms.  Once you start factoring in risers and rows of seating, things can vary much more, where often I recommend also considering screen image height with acoustically transparent screens.

I can make stands for the Catalyst and Spark, and of course there are companies offering premium custom stands like Sound Anchor.  I'll take another look at some example pricing for 2-3 stands types for Catalysts and Sparks, but for Sparks I would recommend also checking into some more commonly available stand options (probably 28-32" for the Spark).
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Posted 05/24/09 at 08:14 AMReply with quote #18 
Hello Mark,

As stated in my e-mail just then, I would be very interested in a Submersive. Being aware of the order deadline 27 May, could you please check your e-mails and respond when you have time? That would be great.

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Posted 06/02/09 at 11:01 AMReply with quote #19 
Quick updates:

SubMersive lead times should keep to approximately 3 weeks for the near future with hopes of shortening that in the future.

With so many orders coming in and some delays on a few final parts, I will start shipping Sparks on order within the next week.  With the upcoming meets in Michigan on June 14th and N California on July 11th, I have decided to extend the introductory pricing on the Sparks through July 20th, giving more a chance to hear them in person before the introductory pricing ends.
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Posted 06/02/09 at 02:08 PMReply with quote #20 
Fantastic news, Mark!  I'm dying to get in the que.  

I know you have many irons in the fire, so I'm patiently waiting to get my order in...   Today would be sweet!!! 
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