breadysmith
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Posted 08/05/12 at 08:10 PM
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Mark...had a question on dimensions about the new surface mount/shallow version of the Spark. I've tried to go back and read old threads that may have mentioned more information on new versions of the Sparks...aside from switching to your current cabinet builder and using a passive radiator I really can't find out any more info on them...do you have more info...dimensions especially that you could provide??
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Blackdevil77
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Posted 08/05/12 at 09:54 PM
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I'd like to know more as well. Right now I'm using my mobile DJ speakers as surround speakers and as you can imagine, the sound of those don't mix with the Cats that wonderfully.
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dipan
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Posted 11/22/12 at 11:23 AM
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Any new information on the shallow mount versions of the Sparks or Catalysts? My theater is being built now and have to plan for the surrounds. I had Catalyst 12's in mind for LCR duty and would really prefer timbre matched surrounds but may have to go for something like the Triads if nothing is available soon.
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audioguy
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Posted 11/22/12 at 12:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dipan
Any new information on the shallow mount versions of the Sparks or Catalysts? My theater is being built now and have to plan for the surrounds. I had Catalyst 12's in mind for LCR duty and would really prefer timbre matched surrounds but may have to go for something like the Triads if nothing is available soon.
Thanks ...
I use the current Sparks mounted at the sides and rears. Perfectly matched with the Cats.
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Hudda
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Posted 11/22/12 at 05:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by audioguyQuote: Originally Posted by dipan
Any new information on the shallow mount versions of the Sparks or Catalysts? My theater is being built now and have to plan for the surrounds. I had Catalyst 12's in mind for LCR duty and would really prefer timbre matched surrounds but may have to go for something like the Triads if nothing is available soon.
Thanks ... I use the current Sparks mounted at the sides and rears. Perfectly matched with the Cats.
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dipan
Registered: 11/13/11
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Posted 11/22/12 at 07:57 PM
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The specifications call for flush mounted speakers. As such, a pair of pillars is designed on the sides of the room and shallow Triad inwall speakers will fit nicely, physically. Also, I didn't mention it, but the back surrounds are in-ceiling (also Triad).
1' thick pillars I think would be just too deep aesthetically and functionally.
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Blackdevil77
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Posted 11/26/12 at 06:41 AM
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Any updates on the new sparks/surrounds?
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Dustcap
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Posted 11/26/12 at 08:15 AM
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@Blackdevil77: Sorry for posing this offtopic-question in this thread, you can answer this via PM if you want to: I just read your statement at the beginning of this thread regarding your use of the Cats when djing. I am also a dj who considers using Cats for music, especially for bass heavy electronic music, which is the style I play. Which style do you prefer and what are your experiences with Cats and the music you play?
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FOH
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Posted 11/26/12 at 12:14 PM
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I can't answer for Blackdevil, .... however; As both a Catalyst owner, and one that's set up my fair share of pro audio systems from numerous DJ applications, to full size "A" rig systems. The Cat12s would be superb in a variety of performance audio applications, including heavy mid-bass and LF. But damn, they're extremely heavy and I'd hate to blemish the finish with scratches and scrapes etc.
As the native dsp is set-up, they roll off a bit too soon for standalone use. But I suspect altering the -3dB characteristics and they'd be plenty stout to cover a DJ event.
Individuals that haven't fully heard what thy things can do truly have no idea. These Cat12s could easily cruise as tops in any dance club, live club, ... I mean the clean energy that these can generate is extraordinary for home loudspeakers. This, translated to typical HT/music listening use, means they can at any given time accurately track the most demanding transient signal and replicate the intended effect without altering the dynamics of the soundtrack whatsoever. This extraordinary peak capability is truly exciting, breath-taking, adrenaline inducing, and can absolutely scare the hell out you when called to do so.
Music playback is significantly less demanding in the LF than HT reproduction. Brief anecdote; I was contracted for DJ'ing a college fraternity formal at a hotel ballroom. This was quite the affair in a nice yet moderately sized room. It was perhaps 50' wide 100' long. The dance floor was at the far end and I brought a superb Apogee based system consisting of 12" two-ways with a pair of vented, double 15" JBL subs. There was an issue, I don't recall exactly but I couldn't use the subs. Man, I'm really in a bind. I call my pro-audio guy I buy/rent from, and he explains how to reset the processor based system for full range use of just the 12" two ways. I boundary loaded them and had a listen out front, .... quite impressed. The client never loved the sound and high fives all around. My point is these 12" two ways pumped out hard hitting dance music all night, nobody but me knew the subs were inoperable. It really surprised me, no doubt, ... and like every show, you learn something new.
Some details for those interested; the speakers were Apogee AE-9s (vented 12", 1" horn loaded compression HF), a single cabinet per side. Apogee processor based loudspeaker management, which had to be fairly new at the time, handled all the Xover and EQ'ing, limiting. I discovered that night, the AE-9s were solid to the mid 40hz range. Adequate for most music, even most all the electonica/techno that was big at the time.
Back to the Catalysts, and their potential for portable use (crazy btw). When side by side with pro audio speakers, one immediately becomes aware of the cabinet colorations in addition to some unpleasant horn nastiness that accompany many comparable commercial offerings. Alone, many of the negatives aren't as easily heard, but side by side the Cats have a wonderful smoothness and lack of cabinet contribution to the overall presentation. I also own QSC, JBL, Klipsch, Polk, and some ol' Cerwin Vegas in the garage. It's fascinating hearing the differing characteristics that each approach takes.
Myself, I'd love to walk into a wedding reception and see some Cat12s covering the event. A long time ago, when VMPS was only really seen in the classified section of the back pages of Audio magazine (remember audio magazines?). I thought the pinnacle of killer DJ'ing sound would be a pair of the VMPS SuperTowers, appliance dollied into a venue,...and up onto a stage for a night of high fidelity fun! True story.
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Blackdevil77
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Posted 11/26/12 at 12:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dustcap
@Blackdevil77: Sorry for posing this offtopic-question in this thread, you can answer this via PM if you want to: I just read your statement at the beginning of this thread regarding your use of the Cats when djing. I am also a dj who considers using Cats for music, especially for bass heavy electronic music, which is the style I play. Which style do you prefer and what are your experiences with Cats and the music you play?
I don't use the Cats to DJ, I've been using my DJ speakers as temporary surround speakers in my home theater. The Cats are so powerful, I wouldn't be surprised if they could hold their own though for some mobile DJ-ing. I play a little of everything but I prefer EDM as well. From just listening to the cats and subM HP's in my room with EDM, they POUND! And they just keep asking for more. For small gigs I bet they would perform just fine, but I just wouldn't want to do to the weight of the speakers and because I wouldn't want to scuff them up  But performance wise, these are truly remarkable.
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Dustcap
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Posted 11/27/12 at 07:11 AM
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To not lead this thread further off topic, I would like to continue the conversation in this thread: http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/CAT12C-brings-the-awesome-5565118?pid=1275862059#post1275862059
I would be very thankful, if my previous speakers could answer my questions following the given link.
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Blackdevil77
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Posted 12/13/12 at 09:04 PM
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Mark, I sent you an e-mail last week regarding some surround speakers. When is the best time to get in touch with you? I know you've been very busy recently.
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Mark_Seaton
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Posted 12/14/12 at 08:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackdevil77
Mark, I sent you an e-mail last week regarding some surround speakers. When is the best time to get in touch with you? I know you've been very busy recently.
A project pulled me out of the office and occupied much more time this week than planned, but I'm starting to catch up on e-mails Kelly wasn't able to get simple answers for. I'll be in the office and available most of next week.
Thanks,
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Blackdevil77
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Posted 12/14/12 at 11:39 PM
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Okay, awesome. You'll probably see mine then. Not in a huge rush, sometimes I'm not sure if my e-mails go through
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misterkit
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Posted 04/14/13 at 12:23 PM
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Ok... So any news about a shallow mount version?
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audioguy
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Posted 04/14/13 at 08:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by misterkit
Ok... So any news about a shallow mount version?
I really need to know as well. We are building a new home (and new theater) and if I am going to use my current sparks, then I am going to need to build "columns" to house them in as I really not like the way they look hanging on the wall with the current brackets. So flush mounted on the wall (with no wires or power cords showing) would be great.
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matthewa
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Posted 04/22/13 at 06:29 AM
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Any updates, I am also interested to hear more?
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2Bad4u
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Posted 04/23/13 at 05:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by audioguyQuote: Originally Posted by misterkit
Ok... So any news about a shallow mount version? I really need to know as well. We are building a new home (and new theater) and if I am going to use my current sparks, then I am going to need to build "columns" to house them in as I really not like the way they look hanging on the wall with the current brackets. So flush mounted on the wall (with no wires or power cords showing) would be great.
Hey Chuck,
When are you looking at beginning the construction phase?
We are also building but we are still looking for a lot to build on. Haven't decided where the HT will be, main floor, basement, or a separate structure. There are advantages for each option.
Best of luck with your build.
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Mark_Seaton
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Posted 04/24/13 at 07:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by matthewa
Any updates, I am also interested to hear more?
I'll be finishing up the 3 way surface mount Catalyst before the new Spark, but I've been kicking suppliers and our cabinet shop on both projects. I'm going to hold off specifying too much until I have a sample cabinet in hand and fully loaded with components.
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audioguy
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Posted 04/24/13 at 10:13 PM
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Quote: Hey Chuck,
When are you looking at beginning the construction phase?
We are also building but we are still looking for a lot to build on. Haven't decided where the HT will be, main floor, basement, or a separate structure. There are advantages for each option.
Best of luck with your build.
-- Bill --
The house will be completed in August and I will begin the theater build immediately. The builder has between none and zero flexibility. So when we take possession of the home, it will have a completely finished loft space which includes a good sized bedroom, a full bath and the actual "loft" area of approximately 27 x 19 x 8, but with three walls. I will have to bring in dedicated power, add "smurf" tubing for running interconnects and HDMI cables, lights, etc. I am working with a guy associated with GIK and independently, we have come up with final(ish) dimensions of approximately 22.5 x 19 x 8 and of course we will have finish the fourth wall. I have no issue using my current 4 Sparks for surrounds but would like a much better way to cosmetically integrate them into the room - and hence my interest in the wall mounted Sparks. But given how busy Mark is on other projects, I will plan to use my existing Sparks and am interested in other way to mount them. Building columns would be one way but if someone else has figured out how to mount them flush against the wall, I would investigate that as well -- even if it means putting holes in the rear of the sparks for a mounting bracket. Assistance requested 
I would have preferred a home with a basement AND much higher ceilings and that was an option. But we are trying to downsize our current home and the basement options increased our existing square footage by about 15%. So this will be my first foray into a music room/theater mounted on wooden floors and above all other major used rooms in the home!! So sound isolation (particularly the bass) will be one area I will have to get more knowledgeable.
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