Seaton Sound Discussion Forum

Support for AV123 versions of UFW-12 or MFW-15

Mark_Seaton — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:30:45 GMT

Hi All,

With all that I'm working on here I don't have much available time to get too engrossed in direct support of the mess AV123 has created through a lack of QC or tech support, I will be seeing what I can do with Kevin and at least offer some means for making products functional and enjoyable. The upgrade kits will get higher priority, but if things fall out any further and there is a real need (not just what-if scenarios) I certainly can come up with solutions. There is a limit to how much I will support while AV123 is still selling the products, but here's an example:

Anyone else with a blown HR UFW-12?
1BionicEar made the following post:

Quote:

I would be pissed too. However, IF there is a replacement available, they are the only ones who will have it. You won't know unless you ask. Maybe in a day or two. Once again, best of luck.

While I have no idea what AV123 still has in stock, I do know they have all of the HR drivers they ordered, and won't be getting any more of those drivers. Replacement or repair of drivers is most certainly possible, and while I wouldn't ask the supplier to replace a driver that was damaged by a misbehaving amplifier, we can certainly fix the driver for less than the cost of a new driver.

We'll see what transpires in the coming months, but Kevin and I have started some brainstorming on what we can offer in alternates should the need arise. Of course the Big Block and Turbo kits will be the ideal options with the biggest improvement for money spent. The Big Block kit is easily 2x the subwoofer with much better deep output and sound quality than the original, and still a significant jump over even the Hot Rod kit AV123 had offered (at least the working form that was first delivered, who knows about the recent deliveries).

Please direct questions to Kevin so he can corral the various issues and such for me.

Forum: Motor City Custom Audio

Which sub for 6,000 ft room open to rest of house????

JimP — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:09:41 GMT

I've been following most of the threads since this forums inception and know that there are a variety of post in different places that may hint on my question but thought it would be safer to ask it directly.

I have a combination living room dinning room that's approximately 6,000 cubic feet that's open to the rest of the house. The home theater area is in about 40% of the space. I would only use the sub for home theater but think that its important that the sound track of movies sound accurate. I have no interest in trying to pressurize the space. My listening level I would say is almost always below reference at -5 or lower. My other speakers are 7 Atlantic Technology 8200 LRs powered by Rotel amps and a B&K Ref 50 pre/pro.

One of my concerns is that many subs assume a certain amount of room gain to have a flat response to 17hz. I probably have no room gain of if I do, not much.

So my question is which Seaton sub would provide flat response down to at least 17 hz without relying on room gain and fit my other requirements as to sound quality?

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Spark for rears - roof mount ?

Drizt — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:49:21 GMT

Hi All,

Nice forum you have hear and those Seaton speakers sure do tick a lot of boxes. Eventually Ill be adding some rear speakers to my system and wouldn't mind something like the Sparks.

Just wondering if anyone has mounted theirs to the roof? I mean has anyone created a bracket that comes down from the roof that then holds the Spark? If not, any suggestions on how you would go about it? Custom bracket (DIY) or some other commercial offering etc?

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

UFW12 Big Block Directions with PICS

sandbagger — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:23:01 GMT

As requested

A basic step by step on what is needed to do to get the new lungs into the UFW12 cabinet. Now I have had a few inquiries as to how well/clean the Piano Black cabinets will cut. So I aquired one and thought I would take pictures and post up a step by step.

At this point you have already pulled the driver out, cutting the wires close to the driver as possible. Then unscrew all 12 of the amps screws and push the amp out from inside. Then you need to pull all the pollyfill out and save to be reused. At this point you would box the amp and grill up and ship to me. I will then ship them back to you along with the templets and a router bit.

Forum: Motor City Custom Audio

x-over used with SUbmersive?

DACS4 — Thur, 18 Feb 2010 20:46:57 GMT

I know this setting will vary across owners based on the main speakers but what are people doing with a larger front sound stages (ie. Rocket 850's and BIGFOOT) and a Submersive?

I would think that 80hz or perhaps even 100Hz could be the best x-over settings to allow the Submersive to really shine in the 40-90Hz zone.

Thoughts?

Dave

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Ordering my baby this week - setup questions

cdnbum88 — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:56:53 GMT

Ok, I am sure very newbie questions here, but hear me out

System:
Denon 3808ci
Panamax 5300ex
Denon 3800BDCI
Velodyne SMS-1
Def Tech ST's (L/R)
Def Tech Mythos 10 center
DT Gems rear surronds
Newly added Submersive next week

This is where I need the help - order to complete things.

ST's are wired directly to AVR
AVR RCA to SMS-1 ... SMS-1 XLR to Sub

Run SMS-1 auto first and tune in sub.... (guide anywhere?)
Run Audyessey and calibrate overall system - whole theme on whether to set ST's as large vs small with their built in subs (Audyssey says all Small, DT says Large). Use LFE? How to set that up.

I bought an SPL meter from Radio Shack, but not sure if I need to use this in the mix and if so when/where and for what units? How do I use this?

Anything else I need to be doing? Primary use will be for HT, but some music.

Thanks for your help in advance. Sorry for all the questions

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Submersive Orientation

K1LL3M — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:54:21 GMT

I was wondering what way you have your submersives orientated in their location, i.e,

-When submersive is against a wall - Driver into wall & into room or drivers along the wall?

-When submersive in corner - Drivers at 45 into each wall, driver at 90 into wall & along wall or driver into corner and 45 into room.

The basis of this question is I'm looking at my room and contemplating placement alternatives because, despite my best efforts to limit myself to one sub, I find myself slowly getting drawn into 2 (though 2 maybe a tight fit to get into the dog house with me and the dog initially, hmmm..).

So I am wondering if the opposing drivers makes a difference in optimal orientation, compared to a single driver sub.

Cheers
K

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Cabling

cdnbum88 — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:07:33 GMT

What are 'recommended' cables for your submersive?
Are you using RCA to XLR if your AVR only handles RCA?
If I incorporate an SMS-1 in the mix, do folks recommend having a the same cables from sub to SMS-1 as SMS-1 to AVR?

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

I think I'm getting a Submersive!!!!

DACS4 — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:42:58 GMT

ok..been up here for a while...reading..reading..reading...

I just sold my SVS PB13 and my rear surrounds to come up with the funds. I have about $1800 and change which puts me very close to "Submersive Land."

I've always wanted it...and now it's so close that I can see it already in our HT.

I've been reading about Epik's new sealed 15 sub, the Empire, and I was very seriously considering 2 of them but no specs yet, minimal user reviews,and i feel like 2 would be needed anyways to get near the Submersive based on what I've read thus far.

The Submersive has proved itself over and over and looks to be "The One" that everyone compares to in the $2000 range. It's built like a tank and looks to be as about as reliable as it gets. I know the amp and the drivers are very special in the Submersive and that the amp Mark uses is much more expensive that the 600W amp the Epik EMpire is using.

Our HT is small, 2000 cu ft. and is in a finished basement so concrete floor and walls all around. I have 3 possible locations and really don't know which is best at this point.

Is there anyone that would argue that the 2 EMpires, based on what is known today, could be the better bass solution for our HT? With the intro Empire pricing it's about a $400 diff between dual EMpires and the Black Submersive.

Thoughts?

Dave

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Chicago Earthquake this morning

JohnnyV — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:14:24 GMT

Epicenter was less than 8 miles from my house..

I promise I had nothing to do with it

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Catalyst vs. High End Midfield Monitors

jiannone — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:17:37 GMT

I'm considering these mostly for price, high power rating and dynamic headroom, but in my research I've found similar speakers from industry types such as the v3110 from Quested, the Klein & Hummel O 410 and Adam S4X-V. There are a lot of options out there and I'd like to know if anyone with experience in pro monitors of this size can compare them to the Cats.

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

GIK SubMersive Riser/Basstrap

Gior — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:12:36 GMT

Hi guys,

I've been talking to Bryan Pape of GIK acoustics over the phone about getting subrisers/basstraps made and sized SPECIFICALLY for the SubMersive. The tentative dimensions are about an inch bigger than the SubMersive in width and depth and probably about the same height. According to Bryan, he reckons he can get them performing better than what another company's version does as he is going to make them fairly solid for broadband bass trapping. Final dimensions and costs are unknown at this stage. He is just wanting to gauge interest from current SubMersive owners as to whether they'd want this. If there is enough interest and it becomes a regular thing, they'll make some jigs up for it which will reduce costs later on. It SHOULD help reduce decay times in the room and thus improve sound quality. The only drawback I can see is the WAF factor. You'd need a pretty understanding wife to allow you to have the SubMersive mounted up on a box BIGGER than what the SubMersive is already. Bryan also may talk to Mark and see if Mark wants to make this an option as well that could be packaged in with new SubMersive sales if there is enough interest on them. I'll probably be a test case and hopefully the measurements show an improvement lol. If not, well, at least I tried in the interests of science

I guess I should've run it past Mark before saying anything about Mark possibly making this an option, but heck, he's too busy making stuff for you guys to worry too much about this anyway

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Submersive Demo Request - Perth Australia

Johnny_Boy — Thur, 04 Feb 2010 14:38:49 GMT

Hi all,

as the title says im wondering if anyone in Perth Australia has a submersive and are willing to let me come over to demo. I have spent the day auditioning many many subwoofers and the two that have impressed me are the
JL 110 and the Marin Logan i Descent. Since posting my findings of all the subs i demo'ed on DTV forum i have still been given the recomendation of either the Submersive and the SVS PB-13 ultra.

All subs can be had for about the same money in australia with the ML the most expensive.
in AU dollars it works out at
submersive approx $2900-3000 depending on US exchange rate and customs
PB13- ultra = $2900
JL 110 = $3000
ML Descent = $3300

eitherway a audition of the submersive may put all comparisons to rest.

Cheers all

johnny

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Mark, what do you think of the new Epik Empire?

curt248 — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:24:56 GMT

I have been reading a lot about your amazing submersive subwoofer. I haven't read about any other sub so loved by it's fans.

I noticed that Epik has just announced a new sub called the Empire. It seems closely related to your submersive sub. It has dual opposing 15in drivers and a similar form factor to the submersive, but has epiks 600watt rms amplifier instead of the 1000W ice amplifier you use. The weight of the sub is also similar at 120lbs.

The price is quite a bit lower so maybe this will be considered like a baby submersive after people start testing it.

No one has heard the sub or seen any performance numbers yet, but there is a lot of speculation.

What do you think of the design and what do you think will be it's performance lows and highs? The owner of Epik has stated that it has better midbass performance than any midbass module. He also said it will have deep bass extension.

Here is a link to the announcement.

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/blog/

Has this design been used before with other subwoofers prior to the submersive? I think I read somewhere that it has.

Any thoughts on the similar design? Do you feel like they are imposing on your superbly designed sub? The price is considerably lower than the submersive so I don't think it will attract the same type of customers.

Forum: Seaton Sound Central

Quick question , need quick answer.

JapanDave — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:34:00 GMT

I am having my room designed by Dennis Erskine and he needs to know if the SubMersive and catalysts are ported and if so front or back ports?

I know the SubMersive is a sealed sub so no ports there, but what about the catalysts? I can't see any ports but I need to be sure.

Thanks for the help.

Forum: Seaton Sound Central